6.5 or 7 kg front load washer, which model is good?

[ridhwan82]

well Brandt isnt that bad.. its quite good actually. Given that its sister company of Thomson. Their top loads are made in France (same factory as THomson top loads) their front loads are made in Turkey.

Anyhow, i think that brandt is a generalist brand and it value for money features makes it pretty attractive.

 

[jayjay_on]

Thanks Gloxie for the Toshiba comments. Just get the chance to do my research on weekend. I really cant afford to buy the high end washing machine. With so many comments on Samsung, i better avoid it. However, anyone have comments on LG brand, the model reference WFT75A37ECT top loader washer ? The price range is about $440

 

[washer_specialist]

bb queen,

You have sets your eyes on which model for the brandt machine???

Perhaps you might want to get the model number then set comparison agAINST your desired Electrolux washer... i ASSURE you would be in for some surprises.

 

[anything]

Hi Ridz,

You mentioned in one of your posts that Miele has an offer set. Is it a dryer cum washer promotion? Or do you mean the Prestige Plus 6 retailing at 1788?

Can you also please share which Miele dryer that you are using and it's price? Thank you?

Dear all,
Can anyone advise where's the best place to get a good price for Miele?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ridhwan82]

hi anything,

well the promotion currently that i am mentioning is the one that you mention prestige plus 6 which is just a 6kg washer.

It was just a few months ago that they have a washer and a dryer set both for 3980 which i think is very worth it but for now its just the prestige plus 6 machine.

miele dryer i cannot remember the model but it was retailing then about 3k plus wahahah...

 

[bb_queen]

Ridz and twt

Thanks for your assurrances. I am thinking of WFH08771A and I think the possible match in Electrolux could be EWF 888 or 850.

The only diff I could tell from the specs is that Electrolux uses 59litres water while Brandt uses 49litres .

I am quite an idiot in such things. TWT, can you further advise what kind of surprises? I know Brandt has a 45 min wash - can't tell from Electrolux catalogue if there is.

 

[anything]

Thanks Ridz! If the dryer retails at 3k+, then the 3980+ is one promotion not to be missed... But I MISSED IT!

While I'm tempted to slurge on a holy gail washing machine and dryer, I'm not sure if I can bring myself to do it...

Would it be a insult to a Miele washer if I match it with a brandt/electrolux dryer? Easier for me to convince myself spending $1788 for a washer than almost 4k for a set, somehow... Appreciate any advice. Thanks!

 

[ridhwan82]

hi anything,

yeah its a pity you missed it but nonetheless, this miele set on promo the prestige plus 6 is a very good deal. but also do consider the temperature of the wash i think the lowest for cotton is 40 and dun have the option for cold wash for cotton cycle.

cos some people prefer to wash with cold wash and some clothes require cold wash etc, so just be aware yeah. best is you go to the miele website then you click on customer service sand then click on product manual and look at the manual there is this one page which will tell you the fron dial selector of the machine which will indicate the respective cycles that the machine offers.

I could have it posted here if you would like yeah.

its not an insult of course but just that if you really compare the washing results you get way bvetter results. same with dryer. if you use the electrolux dryer now for example, the next time you use a miele you would be ab;le to tell the difference its so much more.

also its oh so quiet. you barely hear it washing, excepot when its spinning but then again not that loud. cheers

 

[starssy]

Hi all,
I'm a new user, just read through the forums for white goods and was pleasantly surprised that alot of information could be derived here from some very resourceful users.Anyway just to share some info, as i used to work closely with miele as an ex-dealer.

Firstly the last promo was the $3380/= combo price for washer model w1514 and dryer T7644 condensor. All models are sold out in sg. But its possible to source from europe just not worth it as shipment plus warranty not covered.
And now they have this $1788 promo which is w562 prestige plus 6. Its not a new model but it is much more value for money as it is 6kg, as compared to the previous promo offer for w1514. It also comes with a dedicated silk wash which the w1514 don't have. However they share the same micro-perforated drums as compared to the higher-range honey-comb drums. If you want to pair it with a dryer, u can still go for the T7644 which is also available for $2200/. So combined price will be $3988/= That's the cheapest you can get for miele washer, dryer. By the way I won't recommend getting a dryer of another brand to complement a miele, because a washing/drying process is an end product will not be in the miele usual high standards if u change to another brand.
anyway, for the question of pricing, as most buyers in white goods industry will know, miele has a strict no discount policy so pricess will not vary.However difeerent places do have their own promotional tactics. Thks

 

[starssy]

And lastly, if price issues are not a problem, for white goods always go for a miele.
The annual reader's digest survey won't rank Miele as the best brand for domestic appliances otherwise.

 

[fluffyoo]

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply as I'm just bk from overseas trip and thanks for the advise. I also feel that Miele is good but is only 6 kg. I need 8kg as I have alot of clothing to wash. ( 2 kids + 1 husband = LoTS of dity laundry)Not to mention including mine. haha. I will take a look again and decide. Thanks.

 

[washer_specialist]

bb queen,

sorry for the real late reply.

This is just my personal opinion with no harm intended.

If you are considering an Electrolux washer and you are pitting it against a Brandt washer, the answer to me would be simple. Go for any of the Brandt washer ( WFH 08771,WFH 10771 or WFH1277) instead of the 7kg/8kg washers from Electrolux.

However, if you are comparing Brandt washers ( WFE676/WFE876) against EWF 551 or ewf 861 then i would suggest you go for the electrolux washer instead.

Other then the water and Opti45 mins wash, there are still plenty for thoughts when deciding a washer.

Electrolux users like myself will definitely testify against the product. i have a existing Italian washer by Electrolux and my in laws owns a current so call Premium Thai electrolux washer. Imagine getting it repaired once barely within a year for the Thai washer. The difference is definitely great and i shant dwell on it any further.

The catch point on purchasing a Brandt washer will definitely be the A+ RATING and the water required. Other then that, if you observed the features closely, there will be a 3 cautions button. The 3 cautions button will prompt you before and during a wash if you have any problems.

I am pretty surprise that a washer by Brandt could acutally be equipped with such features. Dont wanna type too much alredy in case i got mistaken as a BRANDT spokes person ....

Hope this litlle bit of info helps

 

[bb_queen]

Definitely help a lot. Thanks a lot.

 

[jade18]

Hi

I find the information here really helpful as I'm planning to buy a WM. Can anyone recommend a 8kg & hopefully silent machine. My family's a clean freak that's why we need a heavy duty machine but I don't know much about fancy options as I'm those who want it done asap but clean of course. I currently own a Thomson model and I tell you it has mould problems and the machine sounds like a super sonic jet taking off and best is it moves its positions! For dryers I heard that consumption of electricity is high so I'm hesitant to get it although my hubby is persuading me to. Appreciate the much needed advice!

 

[ridhwan82]

hi sharon,

well 8kg washer.. is it a must? cos if you are looking for some heavy duty machine then probably miele will fit the bill though the price tag may be hard to pocket.

thomson washers are good. i used to own them for many many years, seriously they are super reliable and durable. Anyway for mould problems its pretty common for washers using the rubber gasket especially given our humid climate and also if you only wash using the cold cycle frequently.

The mould problem usually can be prevented by leaving the door ajar at least for an hour or two after washing to dry the interiors and also once in every 3 months (if you frequently wash using warm washes) to just put some detergent inside without any load and use the cotton cycle at 90 degrees.

Then if you rarely wash with warm,, most of the time use the cold wash the you might want to do the so called maintenance cycle once every 1-2 months.

yes the soudn is like sonic jet taking off,, its a tad noisy cos of its construction to fit the size of a mere 40cm wide or some 45cm wide hence the lack of internal space for any form of insulation to be available.

anyway i would think that if you still want to maintain the same wash quality or even better then you would go for miele albeith its price.


they are having a promotional set. W562. Its a 6kg washer, 1300rpp with silk, cotton, etc functions and its fully made in germany , 4 cast iron support etc. reliability superb and noise level not ath noisy except when spinning it may get a little on the loud humming side but pretty quiet i must add. its going for 1788. you may wish to take a look at the display set and ask them for demo i think they have it at best denki takashimaya.

Anyway for dryers the consumption is true on the high side but also depends on your usage lah. Cos typically they consume around 2.2kwh so that works out to be around roughly about 70 cents per run of the machine.. somewhere around there lah. so if you wash like 2 times a week and 8 times in a month you are looking at an additional cost of about 5.60? rough estimate? its a small price to pay for convenience and of course protecting your clothes.

so depends on your budget and needs. electrolux coulf also be shortlisted along with bosch and brandt. of thomson if you would still want to use it. i wouldnt mind using back thomson its washing quality is good and reliability also very solid.

 

[jade18]

Hi Ridz

Many thanks for your quick response! I'm very tempted by your Miele recommendation and to be honest I've read your posting on cooker hobs in another thread and really like your advice and have taken them. I'll go to Miele and speak to them for more details. Although the full purchase of Miele WM & dryer might be too costly for me. I will never do Thomson again but I still plan to keep it but think need to service soon. I have mould problems even in the detergent dispenser so it's a real pain. Do I need to air clothes even if it's done by a dryer? Will there be mould problems if I don't at least air it after it's been through the dryer. Many thanks!

 

[ridhwan82]

No problem

Well if you go to the miele showroom they only have the standard models on sale the W1714 and the w4446 which are retailing at around 3.4k and the other around 5 i believe.

the matching dryer is also around the same pricing 3.3 k for the lower end and the higher end around 4+ k.

Its pretty normal i would say to have the detergent dispenser to have that problem. i typically just pour the detergent directly on top of the drum and as for the softener i use the one that has no wax which is verner.. so the black dirt around the softener will have a little bit but not that much.

Anyway for the dryer what happens is once its spun dry in the final spin in the washer you transfer to the dryer what will happne is that it will heat the drum and then vent it or sorts and then once its out you can wear it or you can immediate fold and store inside the cupboard already no longer need to iron..

There are 2 types of dryer the air vented dryer (this is cheaper) and a condenser type (more expensive)

In air vented you will need to palce dryer in a well ventilated room for the machine to exchange warm and humid air with the ambient air to expedite the drying priocess..

while the condensor will mix the humid air with the ambient air and then through a condensor to filtrate out the water from the vapour.. hence you can place this type of dryer anywhere even like an enclosed space like the store room for eg where there is little or no ventilation but its more expensive

Then for air vented dryers there are 2 types again the mechanical timer or auto sensor.

Mechanical you turn the rimer knob and once time is up it will stop. but for auto sensor it will sense whether your clothes are dry or not.. ocne its dry it will stop. but again auto sensor ones are slightly more expensive.

as for dryer the only maintenance you need to take note of after each drying cycle is that you will need to clear the air filter. something like uknow air con air filter it will collect lint and detergent powder resideue etc after every cycle so you need to clear the lint filter after every cycle. other than that you no need to do anything else yeah.

no mould problems for dryer.

But for condensor dryers you might need to throw away the water collected or some models have a pipe you can drain it away to some sink or something.. and also also you need to clean the condensing unit at least once a year or so. thast all

for air vented ones just the air filter will do.

Miele is a worth investment just that the initial one will be an over kill if you are looking at the machine at one go.. you are looking at spending around 7-10k depending on the model you want to opt for.

Anywa their reliability is relentless.

its built with a vitrous enamel which is design not to corrode and resist yellowing plus also they have reliability test for the machine.

the dryer and washer are made to run nonstop. wash then end then reload and then wash again then stop and then reload.. non stop for 5200hours same goes for dryer .. put in new wet clothes then dry, remove and the new batch and then dry and then remove and then continue and it should not fail. only then will it be worth to carry the miele badge.

they are designed to serve you for 20 years or more.

 

[ridhwan82]

ooops.. for the point about i mention earlier on .... no loonger need to iron.... maybe i should replace it with...

no longer need to hang dry... or iron ( in some cases it may help ease out the creases) or minimal ironing is needed to ease out the crease.

 

[ridhwan82]

here are the links if you want to read more about the models i have mentioned.

The one on offer at 1788

W562
http://www.miele.co.uk/products/Specification.aspx?pid=691

these are the models
the 3.5k price tag
http://www.miele.co.uk/products/Specification.aspx?pid=95

the more expensive 5k price tag
http://www.miele.co.uk/products/Specification.aspx?pid=104

As for the dryer.

the 3.3k price Air vented Dryer
http://www.miele.co.uk/products/Specification.aspx?pid=110

the 3.3k price condensor
http://www.miele.co.uk/products/Specification.aspx?pid=111

and the high end condenser model
http://www.miele.co.uk/products/Specification.aspx?pid=121

do take note that the washer 1714 and the dryers 7734 and 7744 can be stacked.

The washer 4446 and the matching dryer 9446 are not compatible to be stacked but side by side.

Though you can get the 4446 and then get the lower end dryer the 7734 and 7744 to be stacked on top of the 4446.

 

[henrywoo1978]

Hi All,

Just like to get review/comments from the City Gas latest promo for the dryer Rinnai RD-600 CG. Well thinking of getting it.

Cheers.

 

[steventay]

i am intend to get it too

 

[burningacid]

hi, any comments on bosch wae18060sg?

 

[ridhwan82]

well i would say frankly that that model is... how shall i put it... not o9n par with current day standards.

both in terms of consumptions and also according to the specifications of e.g. spin speed, etc.

but else its okie lah.. jsut that if you could add a bit more you could probably get even much better specs machine froim brandt or electrolux?

cheers

 

[burningacid]

Hi Ridz,

any good recommendation within the same price range then? TIA...

 

[pitstop]

hi,

Need to ask a non washer related question here.

Can i use low sud detergent for those jap brand washing machine?

 

[washer_specialist]

U may still use it but it will not be suitable.

 

[pitstop]

hi twt,

thanks for your reply. May i noe how it is not suitable?

 

[washer_specialist]

generally,

Low suds are meant for front loaders. The rest without low suds are ued for the Jap type top loaders.

Your cleansing of the clothes will be affected. Also the normal detergent will affected the performance of the front loaders

 

[ridhwan82]

(front-loaders) use 1/3 - 2/3 less water than vertical-axis machines (top-loaders), saving valuable water and energy resources. However, less water also means regular laundry detergents do not dissolve as easily and can leave soap residue on your clothes. Also, the tumbling action of an horizontal-axis (front load) machine is gentler on fabrics but adds more air to the water as your clothes are plunged into and lifted out of the water. This creates more suds than a conventional top-loading washer would. Excess suds can overflow and actually damage a front-loading machine. To prevent excessive sudsing when using regular detergents in an horizontal-axis washer, it is often necessary to use substantially less detergent. However, using less detergent can result in poor cleaning. As a result, it is best to use a specially formulated low sudsing laundry detergents with a front load washer.

 

[ridhwan82]

that is the explanation for use in the a front load washer as in why use a low suds.

But for the topload as in top load asian type of washing its the washing technology, Because in the case of the top load they use more water and using a low suds using the same dosage (remember earlier i mention that uses little water) given the same amount of dosage means same amount of enzymes and filler to be dissolved in a 10 litres of water (main wash of continental washer) vs you put it into a 55 litres of water (in the case of a full drum load in a asian washer) you can clearly see that in the asian drum, the amount of enzyme and filler has been very dissolved or less concentrated hence it may cause the load to be poorly wash owing to too little soap to simply put it.

Eg, you place a 30ml of ribena concentrate in a 10 litre water jug vs 30mlo of ribena concentrate in a 50 litre water jug i think the 50 litre jug will be very diluted yeah .. something like that.

hope that was useful

 

[pitstop]

Hi twt & ridz,

Thanks for the valuable advice!

cheers.

 

[smps]

hi, any recommendations for 7kg washer & 6kg dryer? was looking at EWF771 & EDM606A until a technician said these r made in thailand n have been giving lots of problems...

 

[ridhwan82]

well.. sorta.. hmm if budget not an issue. go for miele. oops.

 

[washer_specialist]

Shirlee,

The techncian must be a bogus or one without knowledge at all.

EDM606A is manufactured in Australia. I will say that the set which you have chosen is OK and like hat ridz had mentioned, if budget is not a concern, then go for MIELE.

 

[smps]

hee, budget is definitely for me!! anyway, want to find out about the Jet Wash/Splash thing. I notice that a couple of the Electrolux WM uses plastic for the Jet Wash. But for Whirpool & Bosch, they use stainless steel. Is plastic better or stainless steel better for this function?

 

[goodgal]

Hi ridz, the miele prestige washing machine on offer, its 6kg right? Can I use it to wash king size quilt? OK to pair it with a brandt dryer? Its selling at $1788 still, is it the one at Tangs basement?

 

[knootz]

Hi
I'm a rookie in WM and need an easy to use, reliable, energy and water efficient WM. Not sure if i need 6.5kg/6.0kg or 7kg WM. Right now, theres two in the family (one intensive WM user and another who prob do more handwashing) and we are kind of lazy

so will prob do laundry once or twice a week. Seems like miele (out of budget), brandt and electrolux are popular brands. Any specific recommendations?
PS: No made in China models...

 

[washer_specialist]

goodgal,

You are correct. The $1788/- models are sold in Harvey Norman and Best Denki and Tangs. Anything King Size might not suit a 6kg washer unles its just bed sheet/spread.

Its ok to pair it with a Brandt dryer. In fact, you just need a univeral stacking kit.

 

[goodgal]

Hi twt,
Appreciate your reply and urgently need expert advice as I have to get a wm within these 2 days.

My wm & dryer space is only 42 inch and I can't stack as I have windows above, and I am only considering the front loading washing machines which at all about 59-60cm. Therefore, I figured my dryer have be the top loading narrow type to fit the remaining space. I think only Brandt has that type of dryer (if I'm not wrong) , which is the ETE 103K, width 45cm. I am offered the display set at $499 and apparently this display set is manufactured in France. Question:

1) Is this a good machine?
2) Is it a good buy?
Most important: 3) the tube to expel hotair is at the side. My machines will sit side by side, so one side of the dryer immediately faces wall, the other side is the washing machine. Therefore, shouldn't have the tube at the side right? Saleman says can thread the tube to the back ( which is ok for me as I can hook it up to the window above), are there any problem with that? What about the 'empty' space/hole left behind? He told me the empty hole will encourage roaches and so on????

For the washing machine, I am consider 3 choices :

1) Brandt WFH1277K (Display set on offer at $900+, original price I think $1400+):
=Opticontrol system
=Automatic Variable from 1 to 7kg
= Adjustable spin speed from full tu stop at 1200 rpm
= Electronic programmer with digital display
= Temp adjustable from cold wash to 90C
=Programs Optia45, flash 30, handwash, cotton, synthetics, delicate/ wool cycle
= options :Easy Ironing, Intensive/Pre-wash, Extra rinse, no spin
=Delay end of cycle time- remaining time
=safeties : anti overflow, load balancing system, foam detection, child lock
= low consumption: wash cycle 7kg, cotton at 60C : 49L, 1.19kwh
=dimension 59.8xD59.5xH85

2) Miele W 562 Prestige Plus , price $1788
=1-6kg
=unique micro-perforated drum
=single program selector switch for cotton, minimum iron, delicates, woollens, silk, express, automatic, shirts, denim, dark garments
= spin speed 1300rpm
= time -left indicator
=additional functions (pre-wash, pre-soak, short, water plus, separate rinse, starch)
=direct enamelled front
=sculptured side panels
=automatic load adjustments for saving water, electricity and time
=49l water consumption
=water control system
=dimensions (W59.5x85Hx58D)

I was highly recommended this Bosch machine by the salepp which they say is new, manufactured in Germany and has the drums similarly to Miele's honeycomb drum($1499 after $100 discount):
3) Bosh WAS28441ME
=8kg wash load load
= large drum size 65l
=variosoft drum system for better cleaning results and shorter washing cycle
=variable 400-1400 rpm spin speed
with rinse hold
= 13 washing prog
=Special program : Sensitive, sports, fitness, superquick 15 - world's first, power wash 60, mix, eco
=8 function buttons: start/pause, intensive, prewash, easy iron, extra rinse, temp selection, time delay 24hr, spin speed selection
=large led display for temp, spin speed, and time delay selction with remaining time indicator
= double slide window for inproved efficiency and maximised laundry protection,
= aquastop
=comsumption rates elect. 1.36Wh, water 56l, wgt 82kg
dimension W60x590dx842H.

Big, big question...............

Should I go for the Miele, reputable, reliable but expensive and not the honeycomb drum but the normal perforated type?

Or should I get the Bosch, cheaper by about $200+, like the Miele also manufactured in Germany, BUT which they claimed has the special drum (small holes, also claimed drums can go either way left and right depending on the type of clothing, because contact of clothing with holes different from the left and from right due to angle of the holes) like Miele's honeycomb drum.


Also, my maid will mostly be the one using the machine. If I buy the expensive Miele or Bosch, can she maximise the 'potential ' of the machines by pressing the right programs base on load and type of clothes which I think can be complicating to her? My maid is not the very educated, intelligent type (sorry for the observation, but this is really the case). Should I therefore, then just settle for the much cheaper Brandt, which since is display set seemed like a good buy?

My washing pattern : I have a lot of clothes to wash, so must use machine once every day, occasionally twice a day if washing blankets, bedsheets etc. Also according to Miele salesperson, I should sort out the clothing according to denim, cotton, shirts etc when washing so as to optimise the wash. So, that means I have to wash a few times a day after sorting out clothes, and at less than full capacity? Does that mean more water n energy consumption? Is this also the case for all the other front loading machines with various wash functions? I am presently using a Korean top loading and I ususally dump all the different types of clothes together for 1 wash.

Please advise, greatly appreciate it here! Thanks!

 

[goodgal]

And yes, I forgot: I have to wash my king size quilt cover. Can the Miele 6 kg machine wash that or should I just take the 7kg Brandt or 8kg Bosh.

 

[washer_specialist]

Goodgal,

The opinions which i am gonna pen below are just my personal views. Hope nobody gets offended.

The Brandt dryer ETE 103K is ok. It is indeed manafactured in France.

If the conditions of thedisplay set is ok, then the price for it is definitely worth the buy!!! You might want to consider oething similar which is the THOMSON dryer TD 88 as well since you are going for a display set. Ask the sales person if there is a display set for that as well. Price difference shouldnt be too much.

However, i would tend to disagree with what the explaination given by the sales person when he mentioned abot roaches. Hot air vented dryers when being used, produced a certain amount of temperature... so it really makes me wonder how can roaches survived the hot temperature??

Given a choice, i would choose MIELE's W 562. Their MACHINE's capability is never in doubt.

The bosch machine and manufactured leaves me with alot to be desired. I would strongly suggest you feel the drum especially the tiny little holes. They are simply too sharp for my liking. The make of it should be term as "DISAPPOINTMENT" especially when it is manufactured in GERMANY. So much said about their variosoft drum system but to me, i would just give it a miss. Still a far cry rom perfection.

The Brandt machine should be ok if it is a display set especially if the price drops below $1k. But if its brand new, i would give it a miss if i were to compare it with the miele machine. Normally, if a display set is being offered, it would be that a new model to replace it would be out soon.

But on frank assessment, the quality on Brandt's and Bosch machine are almost similar except for washing and energy efficiency which the Brandt machine would stand out. Choose between the 3 of them and 1st Miele, 2nd Brandt ......

Quilt cover should not be a problem for a 6kg load. But if you are mentioning blankets and heavier stuff, i doubt the 6kg can withstand the burden long.

As for sorting out clothing, it depends on individual usage. However, i would wash the delicate materials using the delicate or handwsh functions and then the rest under cotton functions.

Have i miss out anything??

 

[ridhwan82]

i would go for miele still. the quality is uncompromised and engineering close to perfection.

and i think the question that is more pertinent is that whether you need to wash one piece of big item often that really needs the space of a 8kg washer. the 6kg washer seems pretty alriught for me even with a lot of people in the family and i wash often 3 times a day at least.

as for king sized quilt cover if its the quilt cover it shouldnt pose much of a problem in my opinion yeah.

as for the sorting out. i take out the delicated and then wash them under delicates like twt mention and then if you are worried i would put the rest of the mixed load and use either the synthetic function of if you really dun know what to do with it. put under automatic for the miele machine and it will sense the water absorption etc and then adjust the washing time, water level etc to suit the main fabric inside which is usually suited to the most sensetive.

or as a general rule in wAShing mixed fabric, use the function that is most suited to the most sensitive. so if you are washing say example towel, synthetic material and also some t shirt, the the most sensntivie here is synthetic so wash using the synthethic programme and not to suit the cotton towel.

in my opinion okie.. between the three machines i would take out the brandt and also the bosch cos of the price is close to miele which strikes a good balance between features and desired quality

 

[henrywoo1978]

Hi twt,

Also new to front load washing. Cause from the manual it states that for another selection of wash (other than cotton) is somehing like 3.5kg max load (well my washer is 1090). So actually i am using the same method as you mentioned, just mix all the clothes and then use the cotton option (which gives the max load of 8kg).

But am wondering if this will spoilt the washer in the long run?

Cheers

 

[goodgal]

Twt & ridz,

Thanks for your replies. They really help a lot! Didn't have a good encounter at the Harvey norman store while checking out machines because there were 2 salesmen at the same time serving me I think they were each trying to push their own machines so gave me conflicting information and even the roaches theory about the Brandt dryer?????? I think they are just trying to push their products so don't really trust them.

Ok, I need further clarifications before I finally make the BIG decision, would appreciate very much ALL INPUT! :

1) So it means its still better to get the Miele 6kg machine ALTHO ITS NOT THE HONEYCOMB DRUM BUT THE PERFORATED TYPE, and its 6kg compared to the Bosch 8kg?

If the answer is a resounding yes, then I will seriously think about getting the Miele.

2)On washing large items, is it OK if I occasionally throw in a large item, say single size quilt (not the cover), or even king size thin blanket? I figure this will only happen about once a month. Can the 6 kg miele withstand the load?

4) The miele person told me to ensure very good wash, I should sort out my clothes according the diff. types in their program and wash each type separately. If I do this, will be washing a few times a day. Ridz, you mention you wash a few loads a day. Means I don't have to worry about frequent usage of the Miele machine, its built to very frequent usage? Will water n energy consumption go up compared to if I just put mixed clothing type together and wash in 1 load? How much will the washing quality be affected for mixed load?

4) My question about the maid being able to use the machine fully. Since its such an expensive machine, if my maid does not know how to use it properly or efficiently (ie. pressing the right program, sorting the clothes properly), would it be a waste of my money?

5)Lastly, where is a good place to get the Miele? Neighbourhood electric stores sells? Will get a good price from them? Or can I get from Courts since I have the Courts Guest card, will I get a further 5% off the $1788 price? Or even Tangs with the Citibank card which gives rebate? Or get from agent at Winland house so they can give me good service and explain how to use the machine properly to me? DO I NEED TO PURCHASE EXTENDED WARRANTEE since it such an expensive machine? Where to get extended warranty?

Please help, as I have deliberated about which machine to get for very long and now I need to buy it within the next 2 days. Don't want to get the wrong machine and regret. Appreciate your advice greatly, thanks!!!

 

[ridhwan82]

hi henry,

just to clarify, you put all types of clothings but then use cotton cycle for the washing right>

The question you should ask is if the clothes will spoil.

The question on whether it will spoil the machine NO> but will it spoil clothes maybe yes.

COs synthetic fibres are not as sturdy as cotton ones and soaking them in water may cause the structure to weaken but given that cotton cycle is longer than synthetic this may hasten the wear and tear of the synthetic material as opposed to cotton ones.

If you want to strike a slight balance between effective wash of oth cotton and synthetic...

probably you could wash cotton cycle but w3ith a short wsh option. not too sure if the short wash option is available on the 1090.

or you could use the sythetic option with the intensive option.

just my two cents worth okiq

 

[ridhwan82]

hi goodgal,

well thats pretty typical of harvey norman. seriously i duno why but the people at best seems more knowledgeable. Harvey norman is really,, haiz...

anyway...for brandt dryer.. i would suggest like what twt said ask for the thomson TD88. ive used td88 befoer and its way better and its auto sensing. as for the roaches i havent any problems. although roaches love warm and humid place but it seems the dryer isnt the place they love its te washer they like. my washer sometis trip cos roaches is at the circuit board. but after a while when the roach moves awar from circuit board the washer will work again strange right.. a few times like that.

and to answer your questions here goes okie

1) i would say yes its still better compares to bosch in terms of quality of its BUILD. MIele quality build is really outstanding. even though the machine comes only with micro holes drum. the quality of the drum is even better than those made by other companies.

2)as for that its really preference. miele machine surely can take that. i know i am guilty of it . mine is a rated 5kg washer ocassionally i do wash my single sized quilt (cool types ... maybe if you are familiar to like ikea cool type of quilt) and also i know its bad for the machine.. also queen sized quilt... no problems so far. machines has served me well.

3) well yes i wash 3 times daily all year round and when it comes to festives or once in a month some days it will work more than 3 times a day to wash more clothes or do the quilts washing and the covers on top of the normal daily load of 3. no problem. well of course if you want better wash quality you may want to seperate all the clothes accordingly though some you may wash together. But for me the only things i wil set away from the main laundry would be my shirt and pants in one wash and then towel is seperately washed. other than these its all in. yes miele is build to last. the machine will have to undergo... many testings.

One of it would be endurance test where it will be made to run like this
Load - wash cotton 60 degrees with maximum spin then end the reload then start again 60 degres then end then reload then start again.. continuously for 2500hours continuously without failing only then will it be worthy to carry the miele badge.
the machine is packed and then lifted to a height of about a few tens of metres and the dropped and the machine should work fine even if during shiprment something untowards happen to it.

It is also made to withstand a salt water spray test where the machine door is open and the detergent comparment is also open and salt water is sprayed everywhere for several hours and after the end of the test no water should seep into the controls or the internals of the machine and ...

machine is jolted with several thousand Kilojoules of electricity to mimic power surge and the machine shoult still work fine.

individual parts like doors are tested with weight hanging on the door to test the hinge. and it should not warp. doors are made to open and close many times over and it should still work anyway the hinge and the catch is made of metal so no need to worry you sould visit the website to see the extreme testing they do.. so yeah no problem

4)its very easy to use, i could email you the manual. its just press on. load the clothes and then turn to the cycle like cotton 30 and then start thats it unless you want to adjust the spin speed to lower of faster or else its default is maximum allowed like 1300. but if you choose sythetic it will only allow say 900? so if you selecty synthetic 30 for example the indicator will already show spin is 900 you can choose lower but not higher.

so it doesnt take a person a lot of effort to operate the machine. the machine will alsop sense if the tap is not on it will indicate. if the suds is a lot if will also indicate and add more water to rinse? etc.

okie miele traditionaly do not offer discounts. so it doesnt matter where you buy it. but for the w562 its a special promotional set only brought in for best and harvey and also some other distributor. it cannot be bought from miele direct.

the price is fixed 1788 eveyrwher you go.

JUst that maybe at best you can buy extended warranty and pay by instalmetn and so is harvey norman. Though extended warranty is not that necessary but who knows if you dun feel safe you can purchase in this case best is more worht it. also you may wish to call miele directly for the extende warranty i think they can add i think 2 years more for a small fee im not too sure. gota call and check

But like places like tangs if you pay in full then the citibank card you can earn the cash rebate depending on the card either 6 or 10% in terms of rebate on the card and not direct of discount so like 1788 say 6% using tangs card you still pay 1788 but you have maybe aroudn 107 to use in the next purchase as you please.....

cheers.

 

[washer_specialist]

Henry,

If you use the synthetic function and dump a load of 8kg in it, then you are in for trouble as you have seriously overloaded your machine.

Durability in this aspect will definitely be affected.

However, pls bear in mind that you can actually play around with your spin speed, lets say 600 rpm instead of a usual 1000rpm for your washer when using the cotton function. This might help you in maintaining your clothes condition

 

[henrywoo1978]

twt,

So normally you would dump a mixed of clothes, then tune it down to 600 rpm so that you can was fill it up to 8kg?

Cheers

 

[goodgal]

Hi ridz,

Thanks for the information. Miele is the way to go then! Can I ask if you also bought extended warranty for your Miele? If I buy from Tangs, is it the Miele people install for me so they can teach me to use when they install? Can I purchase from Tangs and buy extended warranty from Miele?

 

[ridhwan82]

hi goodgal,

well yeah it seems so miele is the way to go. hahahah i mean that is in my opinion.

anyway when i bought mine the fcrenzy of extended warranty is not relly full swing. so no. so far no prob,

yes when you buy miele will send you the machine and help you set up. they will even send a representative to explain to you how to use the machines. and as times goes by even if you are not sure how to you can call or ask them to come down to demonstrate to you again.

as with miele buying a miele means a lifetime customer service commitment to them. they really have taken a step further into customer service.

cos there was once my dryer that time was less than ayera old somehow i think there was multiple failure maybe it was those one in a million machine that is sour. at all times they tried to be really understanding and the service personnel were very nice and when they arrive they greet you always on time, and before they go they explain to you what happen and what they have changed and said god bye.and they are all trained IN GERMANY and the parts are also all from germany. and after about 1 month of continuously giving me multiple failure they came one last time with a surprise. 1 customer relations executive 2 customer service rep 2 delivery person and came apologetically with a new machine for a one for one exchange and bear small tokens with a sorry card. all of them apologised for having my family suffere inconeniences and that they hope that i still ve faith in the machine and if we were wiling to give the brand another go with the new set they brought to change with mine. Cos they believe that buying their product we have placed that faith in that product that it will serve us well and that they stand by their quality so if such things happen as in multiple failure, it should not have happened and they really were apologetic..

my family on the other hand were paiseh also so many people came from top personnel to bottom rank yeah at least 5 of them were at my place that morning when it was scheduled for another service appointment. the executive left with us a name card with his direct mobile number for us to contact him if we require further assistance.

so yeah it was awesome. for spare parts dun worry even if this machine is old model the w562. cos for miele, what they guarantee is that the moment that they phase out a particular model, the spare parts is guaranteed to be continuously produced for a period of 20 years so even an oldie can be repaired unlike other brands where usualyl after 5 years it might be difficult to repair cos no parts.

yes you can buy from tangs and then extend the warranty directly from miele. but call miele first okie to check with them.

cheers