Champions Court @ Woodlands - BTO

no i intending to not hack...thinking of putting door...easier when cooking lo...

hmmm...think maybe should set aside 30k for reno le...just in case too expensive...

I intend to show the contractors the picture of what i want leh...but i dunno they will understand wad kinda material i want anot...later they ask me i oso blur dunno wad to do...
 


CH> wa, 5k sounds more palatable.. haha.. nt so scary.. but i guess it really depends on how much hacking, complexity of the design, materials to use, etc..

Alicia> ID is definitely more expensive de.. they also get other contractors to complete the job for u, so of cos they earn in the process too.. its juz like y alot of skincare pdts n supplements selling in the retail shops r expensive but is of poor quality.. so if u dun mind a bit more inconveniences of doing the liasing yourself, contractors will do equally well if u already know wat design u want.. anywayz, i think the IDs nowadays alwaz give very generic designs, go everywhere also same designs..
 
juz pass by our CC this evening... saw that there's some digging wrk near the pri sch there.. hmm.. so hapi to see some progress at our CC site.. hehe.. :p

bt something tat mks me unhapi.. my bf juz told me that his mum says wana rent out their current hse and move in with us.. im so unhapi ov it.. dun understand y cant they give us some private space?? y must move in with us when they themselves hv their own hse.. me already been v accomodating to get a unit near theirs liao.. nw still wana move in with us.. tach me leh.. hw to reject them w/o hurting my relationship with my bf..
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me been looking forward sooo much to our lovenest.. bt nw.. suddenly pop out such a nightmare.. i dun mind occasionally they come ov for the nite.. bt nt move it totally lor.. im really v v upset... and bothered... and always tink tat marriage is between both of us.. bt NO lor.. is between 2 families..

im v v upset till really hv no mood to do anything any more..
 
CH> i think thats the digging that i mentioned last wk leh.. but i didnt drive past CC this wk so dunno..
ah!!! i think in-laws moving in with u is definitely the biggest nightmare!! i also cant stand it.. occasionally stay over is fine, but nt permanently.. well, i think u got to talk things out nicely with your bf lor.. explain to him your reasons for it.. he muz fully understand your pt and stand on your side, if nt he wont speak up for u de..
for me, initially my bf dun mind staying with his parents, but i told him that staying together sure will have conflicts one, and i dun want to damage our gd relationship nw.. things will never be the same aft there r flaws in the relationship.. i cn stay very near to them, but pls dun stay together.. n power line is "if he likes to b sandwiched between me n his parents, then go ahead lor" cos i know such a day will surely come if staying together..
 
me too can foresee problem when he tells me this.. i really cant imagine staying together lor... me really headache.. v v stress.. n even fear marriage nw.. i really dun 1 to ruin our relationship bcoz of this..
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CH> dun stress.. think positive.. have a gd talk with your bf, im sure he'll understand de.. i alwaz believe that b4 a person agrees with u on something, u muz let him/her see the "need" for it.. n the "need" here is to try to avoid future quarrels.. actually that time my bf's dad also asked us to get married faster n stay with them 1st, but i told him the same thing nicely too.. he told me he's easy-going de, but i know i sure cannot close 1 eye on certain things, so i told him i dun want also.. n luckily b4 that, i already explained to my bf le, and glad he's on my side, so he told his dad the same thing too.. *whew* sometimes its really e tone n words that u use..
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CH> why not propose to ur bf to at least get his parents to let u guys have at least a few yrs of privacy so can delay it abit wun get into quarrels or wad, maybe suggest to them that they can probably rent out one of their rooms...if they really need the money....

staying with in laws ultimately will have conflicts no matter how easy going either party is lo...cuz sure got differences in daily life one...point out gently to ur bf...this is ur concern ba...

I almost end up with my bf mum too but later the mum decided to downgrade to 3 room flat once my bf moves out....
 
CH> Ya, i agree wif Kef on the part tat u can tell ur bf whether u both can stay for a few yrs 1st b4 letting in-laws move in. For me, i've got no choice not to let MIL come stay wif us, but i dun really resent it much too lah, considering her health & stuffs.
 
im really feeling v v stress.. sure got prob if stay together 1.. sure got conflict 1.. nw tat we are nt staying together.. some of their daily life i also cannot stand.. bt since im nt staying together and tat's nt my hse.. i dun care.. bt if they do tat to my hse.. i sure voice up lor..

i really scare lor.. i really really dun like it...
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out of curiousity, any of you went for marriage preparation course?

if yes, how much did it cost you?

i'm feeling the same way as the dude in "Licence to Wed" now....
 
ryan> nope, din go for the course, but my church will haf a sort of counselling for both of us. =) Heard tat the course is abt $180?? Not too sure tho.
 
needa go marriage preparation course ah?? is it useful??

u feeling like the dude?? means u feel very frustrated with the priest?
 
CH> u really got to have a gd talk with your bf.. the more u drag, the more stress u get.. then u also need to give him some time to talk to his parents also ma.. so earlier the better..

ryan> that time when we went to select the flat, i realise there are booklets on the officer's table that is talking abt marriage preparation course, there's quite a number of choice in the booklet covering different aspects and conducted by different organisations, so their prices really vary quite a bit also wor..
 
Kef> i'm not a christian or catholic. more like i'm not keen to pay money for someone to teach me how to lead my life/prove my love.

ting> is it? lol i didn't see it though.

CH> as advised by most here, it's impt to sit down and talk it out rather than feeling stress abt it.

rem to choose your words wisely. my assumption based on what you had said is that most likely your bf's folks are kind of traditional. So you have to try to be a demure wife liao...

choose your words wisely bah.
 
Ryan> love your wife with your heart
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truly madly deeply wahahahaha .....

CH> sad also no use , this is true that a marriage involve both side family not only the 2 of you ... just let your bf know how u feel ... Act pityful not lose your temper , like me now also living with in laws i definitely know how u feel , sure have conflicts in future if stay together .... see what your bf say first if not u gone crazy soon .
 
my friends around me nv heard them going to marriage preparation course...only got the baby preparation course...

ah kiam> is that why u cannot wait for CC to be ready??haha

CH> I think ur bf shud understand...maybe when u talk to him...try asking him to put himself in ur shoes...if not try to delay them moving in first ba...tell them u needa sort out the new hse...reno and such...impt is dun quarrel over it...it will make things more difficult...
 
alicia> wah lao... marriage counselling is very negative lei... it's like counselling for those couples on the rocks!

anyway i found my answer liao

http://fcd.ecitizen.gov.sg/CourtshipNMarriage/ExchangeYourVows/Resources/MarriagePreparation/

Range from $130 to $350 with $70 rebate from MCYS.

Ah kiam> i believe in that. if i don't have a heart to love her, i won't choose to marry her liao.

i think the thing is that some of her friends who got married recently are christians and they attended their church's marriage preparation programme. then she got a friend quite pro govt activities one, so also went for such a course and said it's good.

IMO, there are already 2 sets of couples that can give you free coaching, and that is her in-laws to-be and my in-laws to-be.

maybe sometimes, people feel better to have a 3rd party impart the skills bah...

after google for more info, it's actually more or less being run by those training companies and there is this items usually that makes the course expensive:

Taylor-Johnson Temperament Test

PREPARE/ENRICH Inventory
http://www.singaporebrides.com/cgi-bin/forumboard/board-profile.cgi

Feels like those teambuilding activities sia... at most will lasst for a few months, after that it will die off liao.
 
Alicia> of course good lar... pay money liao lei. lol

but it's common for such courses to make you feel good and put some definitions to certain behaviours and things like that.

if not good, those places can close shop liao.

sometimes, certain things is best left as undefined. it keeps the beauty of it.

you ever see some people very straight one, take whatever learnt at such activities straight on and apply w/o thinking much?

i feel life is more than just a bag of problems and solutions.

Some things naturally will not be a problem, some problems have no solutions. it's just how life is supposed to be to me.
 
ryan> ya it was at the side of the table.. but i dunno whether its meant for us to take so i didnt take lor.. juz flip flip look look there.. haha.. anyway i also dun believe in such courses.. sometimes matters of the heart cannot be handled by taking courses de.. it only seems logical when things r calm.. when having quarrel, everything also forget liao lor.. haha..
 
ah Kiam >> think u understand mst.. coz u r staying with ur ILs nw.. sure got prob 1 lor.. unless u r really a damn demure wife lor.. sad to say.. im nt lor.. haha.. im a modern woman with modern thinking lor..

my friend's ILs worst.. say her when she go bk to her own mum's hse.. if my ILs dare to say me if i go bk to my own mum's hse.. i sure say bk 1.. hack.. haha.. im tat 'demure'.. haha.. :p
 
Cecilia> Haha! Actually, no matter who u stay wif, be it husband, in-laws or even ur parents & siblings, there's bound to be conflicts. Jus tat our parents loves us so much tat they dun hurt us tat much. A lot of ppl oso tell me tat once i stay wif my MIL, muz try to gif in to her & forgive & forget. 1 of my frens told me tat it's gd i'm still working after getting married, coz tat will decrease the contact wif MIL, hence the conflicts will be lessen. Tink jus haf to try & accommodate each other bah (for my case). lol...
 
Cecilia> ya, i agree with alicia.. it takes alot of give n take, and respect for each other to make everyone's lives easier.. no doubt it will b difficult, but juz have to learn bah.. nvm la, dun think abt all these negative issues 1st.. think of how to discuss this issue with your bf 1st..
 
actually talk to him yest.. he ok with it.. coz i sound v sian n ke lian when i talk lor..hehe.. :p

tats y.. our own parents we already hv conflicts.. n we already hv to learn hw to live with our HTB.. b4 we manage to learn to live with each other.. another few mre ppl comes in.. mre conflicts lor..

haiz.. dun understand y MILs cant let us live together by ourselves.. y they so bu tong qi 1..
 
i think they miss the son or just wanna take care of you all ba...den maybe when got kids can help u look after...

ya learning to live with ur HTB is already something new unless u guys are staying together for yrs already...else need to get used oso...ppl say xiang jian rong yi xiang chu nan...

Thats why if they die die wanna move in...try to postpone first lo...else all together i think v sian oso...
 
haiz i dont know just becoz they r old so we must give in to them right ? please lor now no1 will do that anymore not going to give face , for the sake of their son we will like visit them every weekend but staying together is NO NO NO .... for my in laws they are quite open minded so they very Zhi Dong .... and my hubby know i wont 1 2 stay wif them in future to avoid conflicts ..
 
if in laws is nice & dont interupt what we are doing staying together is not a problem .... hahaha kef if they 1 2 help look after the kids they can stay at their own house while we bring the kids over LOL .... staying together sure sian coz the house is already so small ... no place to hide also
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CH> hahahaha i act demure only actually im tigeress ... somemore now still have two SILS ... tell me about it man ... im damn over sian now but heng i go back to my parents place no1 is going to say me ... pls lor my own parents leh cannot go back huh .... if like that nextime ask your son dont visit u lah wahahahahaha bad daughter in law ....
 
so CH everything must sign & chop first now if not in future any changes then quarrel again sure very jialat one .... oops i set bad example here hehe
 
CH> i think MILs scared we dunno how to take care of their precious son bah.. but hor, i know my bf's parents n grandma wants us to stay with them, cos in that way we will get married b4 getting the hse, then increase their hope of getting grandchildren.. *faint* but no way i will do that la, cos i dun want to stay with them, n i dun want my kids to b taken care of by them la.. prefer my own mum to take care..

but hor, i think my mum is a gd MIL leh.. my SIL stays with me for the past 1.5yrs since their wedding.. so far so gd, at least i dun see any unhappiness la.. n hor, everytime if im hme earlier than my SIL, the moment she steps into the hse, my mum will tell her she cook wat food for dinner, ask her quickly go eat.. my mum also helps her wash n iron clothes.. but my SIL also very zi dong la.. she also helps my mum with hsework every wkend.. she will wake up early to help sweep n mop the floor one lor.. so i think they set a gd example..

kef> the correct one shd b "xiang chu rong yi, tong zhu nan"
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ryan> being the only male here, u shd share your feelings of such "sandwiched" situations.. heehee..
 
ting> Wah! Ur mum & SIL so gd terms huh?! Me leh, i oso dunno lah, jus hope everyting will be fine. Now wen i see her or wen she calls me, we will talk abt my hubby de lah, and we both (me & MIL) always tekan my hubby. hahaha! Den my hubby will say tings like "y u both stand on same line", or if MIL said sumting wich i dunno, den i also say the same ting, den he'll say "how come u both say the same tings". lol... Tink our (me & MIL) common topic is my hubby, hence always tekan him. =P
 
haha.. i agree with ting.. mayb they really scare we duno hw to take care of their son lor..
think if im ah kiam.. i also DIE... coz got 2 SIL.. wah lao.. hw to tahan.. me go 1.. i already alittle buay tahan her liao.. she v bossy 1 lor..

with my temper.. i dun like means will say 1 lor.. i duno hw to 'act' 1 lor.. rather tackle 1 thing at a time 1st.. get use to living with my htb 1st.. cant imagine gota stay with so many ppl in a time.. sure die 1..

hey ryan>> yah share hw or wat u will do..haha.. :p
 
CH> hahahaha what to do when my CC not yet build haiz must endure lor ..... no way to stay in my house in future coz my house very very small ....
 
if 'act' to tahan hor..i think will be v unhappy leh...

for me i dun wanna stay with in laws because i am someone who is values my privacy alot...and i dun like noise alot oso...like quiet quiet one...den if got other members sure noisy den worse is no privacy...if u ask me tahan i can tahan but i know i will be super unhappy lo..later blood vessels burst sia...like no freedom lidat...

ting> yaya thats the one lol..understanding my meaning can le...
 
hahaha i think long ago my blood vessels already burst .... coz i also like quiet but they always talk like so loud ... if dont tahan everyday sure world war how ... dun want hubby Nan Zuo Ren ....i only go back my parents place complain to my mum lor hehe ....
 
yah.. me too dun wish my htb nan zuo ren lor.. tats y i dun 1 to stay together lor.. they both dun like ppl play mahjong 1... bt i like to play lor.. already told my htb tat MUST hv a mahjong table at hm lor.. if they die die also wana 'tag' along.. i sure jio ppl come ov for mahjong session every wkend 1...haha.. :p

is my hse leh.. i hv a say lor.. they nt hapi.. go bk to their own hse lor..hahahahha.. :p
 
alicia> ya, i was surprised to see things so swee swee between my mum n SIL.. but gd la, sets a gd example for everyone at hme.. haha.. i think its alwaz gd to start off with a gd relationship or even friendship with future MIL n FIL.. like that then easier to survive la.. but of cos if u face a difficult MIL or FIL, then juz got to try your best nt to step on their toes lor, might nt b easy, but i guess ultimately they still have your interest at heart de, so learn to see their pt of view lor.. im sure they will eventually see your pt of view too..
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CH> i think we juz got to prove to MIL that their son will b in gd care lor.. haha.. like aft i come into his life, i made my bf eat less cos the portion that he normally eats super over.. initially she didnt like it cos she feel later he will b hungry.. but lucky he's on my side, n told her he want to lose wt.. haha.. n nw he feels better, n they also got better health cos i tend to tell them health tips here n there.. nw they know they shd nt challenge my health knowledge cos thats my rice bowl!! haha..
 
Haha! Of coz all of us dun wan our hubbys to Nan Zuo Ren lor.. But i tink if buay song oso no choice lah.

ting> Gd mah, like ur mum & SIL, not every1 can be like tat de lor.. Tink the accommodating part is a bit tough lah, coz ultimately every1 grows up in different environment & background, & our parents tend to gif in to us more, so once we start living wif each other, a lot of tings mite not see eye-to-eye, but tat's jus how married life is like: to noe & grow together as a couple.
 
Alicia> ya accomodating to others is definitely difficult.. im also super stubborn n wilful one.. so the day when i told my mum i apply for flat with my bf, the only thing she told me is that i muz learn to b more accomodating n less wilful.. if nt, 1 day my bf also cannot stand it one.. heehee.. so im still learning bah.. haha
 
IMO, when 2 people of different upbringing come together, sure have differences between each other.

when both side parents are involved, it will probably be worse.

for myself, i have different issues. eg. my mum is more loud and direct but generally nice but it was a shock to my WTB as her family don't talk loudly.

So last time got quite a bit of friction. when i raise my voice a bit to stress on certain points during our conversations, she will think i am scolding her and will cry. but now no more liao.

However my mum is still louder than me. Sometimes when she talks to my dad, my WTB also got shocked.

it takes a while to get comfortable with this.

Myself, i feel that if during courtship, both parties don't mix with each other folks, problems like this sure arise.

Especially these days, both parties are working and only have weekend to spend with each other. Weekends will be spent going out and if never do stayovers and don't understand how it's like to be with your future in-laws, sure get shell shocked one.

have to go with a more open mind and open heart bah. these are common problems for any couples settling down.

I also have issues with my future in laws and i straight away tell my WTB abt it. she is the one who knows them best, so she assured me some things and i take her assurance on it.

So talking and spending more time with them should help.
 


for myself and my bf...what we actually intend to do after discussing is....maybe every 1 or 2 weeks we will go back to our respective parents place to spend the night...

One thing is can increase the time spent with parents because CC is not exactly very near our parents' house...so makes visiting them a lil tougher...

Another thing is my bf feel spend a day or 2 away will make us miss each other more...LOL...even married still must maintain the excitement like dating lidat...never see for a day or 2...den meet up...den very excited and happy like what we are feeling now...

But as to whether our parents accept anot...thats another thing cuz we haven tell them our plans yet...
 

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