Anyone staying in Bukit Panjang

"Stanford Report, June 14, 2005

This is the text of the Commencement address by Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple Computer and of Pixar Animation Studios, delivered on June 12, 2005.

I am honored to be with you today at your commencement from one of the finest universities in the world. I never graduated from college. Truth be told, this is the closest I've ever gotten to a college graduation. Today I want to tell you three stories from my life. That's it. No big deal. Just three stories.
The first story is about connecting the dots.
I dropped out of Reed College after the first 6 months, but then stayed around as a drop-in for another 18 months or so before I really quit. So why did I drop out?
It started before I was born. My biological mother was a young, unwed college graduate student, and she decided to put me up for adoption. She felt very strongly that I should be adopted by college graduates, so everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his wife. Except that when I popped out they decided at the last minute that they really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a call in the middle of the night asking: "We have an unexpected baby boy; do you want him?" They said: "Of course." My biological mother later found out that my mother had never graduated from college and that my father had never graduated from high school. She refused to sign the final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later when my parents promised that I would someday go to college.
And 17 years later I did go to college. But I naively chose a college that was almost as expensive as Stanford, and all of my working-class parents' savings were being spent on my college tuition. After six months, I couldn't see the value in it. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me figure it out. And here I was spending all of the money my parents had saved their entire life. So I decided to drop out and trust that it would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I could stop taking the required classes that didn't interest me, and begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.
It wasn't all romantic. I didn't have a dorm room, so I slept on the floor in friends' rooms, I returned coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and intuition turned out to be priceless later on. Let me give you one example:
Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed. Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.
None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life. But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac. It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows just copied the Mac, its likely that no personal computer would have them. If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards ten years later.
Again, you can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something - your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life.
My second story is about love and loss.
I was lucky - I found what I loved to do early in life. Woz and I started Apple in my parents garage when I was 20. We worked hard, and in 10 years Apple had grown from just the two of us in a garage into a $2 billion company with over 4000 employees. We had just released our finest creation - the Macintosh - a year earlier, and I had just turned 30. And then I got fired. How can you get fired from a company you started? Well, as Apple grew we hired someone who I thought was very talented to run the company with me, and for the first year or so things went well. But then our visions of the future began to diverge and eventually we had a falling out. When we did, our Board of Directors sided with him. So at 30 I was out. And very publicly out. What had been the focus of my entire adult life was gone, and it was devastating.
I really didn't know what to do for a few months. I felt that I had let the previous generation of entrepreneurs down - that I had dropped the baton as it was being passed to me. I met with David Packard and Bob Noyce and tried to apologize for screwing up so badly. I was a very public failure, and I even thought about running away from the valley. But something slowly began to dawn on me - I still loved what I did. The turn of events at Apple had not changed that one bit. I had been rejected, but I was still in love. And so I decided to start over.
I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life.
During the next five years, I started a company named NeXT, another company named Pixar, and fell in love with an amazing woman who would become my wife. Pixar went on to create the worlds first computer animated feature film, Toy Story, and is now the most successful animation studio in the world. In a remarkable turn of events, Apple bought NeXT, I retuned to Apple, and the technology we developed at NeXT is at the heart of Apple's current renaissance. And Laurene and I have a wonderful family together.
I'm pretty sure none of this would have happened if I hadn't been fired from Apple. It was awful tasting medicine, but I guess the patient needed it. Sometimes life hits you in the head with a brick. Don't lose faith. I'm convinced that the only thing that kept me going was that I loved what I did. You've got to find what you love. And that is as true for your work as it is for your lovers. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. And, like any great relationship, it just gets better and better as the years roll on. So keep looking until you find it. Don't settle.
My third story is about death.
When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: "If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right." It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: "If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.
Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything - all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.
About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my pancreas. I didn't even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I should expect to live no longer than three to six months. My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is doctor's code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids everything you thought you'd have the next 10 years to tell them in just a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.
I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy, where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that is curable with surgery. I had the surgery and I'm fine now.
This was the closest I've been to facing death, and I hope its the closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful but purely intellectual concept:
No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.
Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.
When I was young, there was an amazing publication called The Whole Earth Catalog, which was one of the bibles of my generation. It was created by a fellow named Stewart Brand not far from here in Menlo Park, and he brought it to life with his poetic touch. This was in the late 1960's, before personal computers and desktop publishing, so it was all made with typewriters, scissors, and polaroid cameras. It was sort of like Google in paperback form, 35 years before Google came along: it was idealistic, and overflowing with neat tools and great notions.
Stewart and his team put out several issues of The Whole Earth Catalog, and then when it had run its course, they put out a final issue. It was the mid-1970s, and I was your age. On the back cover of their final issue was a photograph of an early morning country road, the kind you might find yourself hitchhiking on if you were so adventurous. Beneath it were the words: "Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish." It was their farewell message as they signed off. Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish. And I have always wished that for myself. And now, as you graduate to begin anew, I wish that for you.
Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish.
Thank you all very much."
 


oh my goodness. that as a truly moving speech. inspirational.... it caught my attention, decided to stay back a bit longer to read it....thanks wise for sharing.....
 
Hello all,
I'm new to this thread.
Currently living in CCK with parents, looking for a new flat.
Bukit Panjang is in my consideration list.
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Hello Lightz!!

Welcome!!!
currently, am waiting for mi reno to end before we can moved to BT Panjang.

Which block/ area r u considering?
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Hello wise, JC & BinBin...
I don't know which area is good also...
I was actually eyeing for the area around Bukit Panjang Plaza. Not too far in.

But if there are good units "inside", i dun mind also. :P
 
Welcome lightz
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i think there are still some available units at segar. but segar is a bit 'inside' but if you drive then that's not a problem. or perhaps senja but im not sure if there are still any more units available.
 
helo lightz, BP is a small town, so u shldn't get lost. but i do admit there are nooks and crannies that deserve more exploring. up til now i can't say i have been to every interesting corner yet hehee.... its easy to get ur bearings, the towns are obvious by the naming of the lrt stations. just take a ride and u will see.
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but three are many clusters so you will need to explore by foot.
 
Hello BinBin....
Good morning!!!

Hi lightz,
U r looking for new flat or resale ones? New flat think only left wif Sejar Blk 4XX series. & Senjar Blk 6XX... so may b u can look look see see the area 1st...
 
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A man joined a big Multi National Company as a trainee.

On his first day, he dialed the kitchen and shouted into the phone:
"Bring me a cup of coffee, quickly!"

The voice from the other side responded:
"You fool; you've dialed the wrong extension! Do you know who you're talking to?"

"No" replied the trainee.

"It's the Managing Director of the company, you idiot!"

The trainee shouted back: "And do you know who YOU are talking to,
you IDIOT?"

"No!" replied the Managing Director angrily.

"Thank God!" replied the trainee and put down the phone.


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Hello wise & BinBin,
I'm looking for new flats.
Will take a walk with FW at 4XX & 6XX, see if there are any nice looking flats.

Any rough idea for the price range of the flats there??
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Since every couple is made up of unique personalities, you and your spouse should discover your own style of communication and not compare yourselves with other couples.

Silence is NOT Golden

Resolving conflicts in marriage
Conflict is part of every marriage. Even in the most ideal marriage, periods of discord are inevitable. The most important thing about marital conflicts is not how to avoid them, but how to manage them.

Couples are encouraged to learn and practise conflict resolution skills. At first it may seem awkward and unnatural, but once the couple becomes efficient at it, they often find the process rewarding.


10 Steps to Resolve Conflicts

1. Set a time and place for discussion
- Schedule a time suitable for both of you.
- Arrange a place that both of you will feel comfortable and will not be interrupted

2. Notice the symptoms
- Look out for signals that "something is wrong" ~ Is there tension between you? Are you distancing from each other? Is one of you feeling hurt or more irritable than the usual? If so, there is probably a conflict taht needs to be resolved.

3. Clarify the problem or issue of disagreement
- Select and discuss only one issue at a time. Trying to resolve more than one conflict at a time can be overwhelming and will create feelings of frustration.

4. Acknowledge your role in having created and maintained the problem.
- Accept responsiblity for your own contribution to the conflict. This helps to decrease defensiveness. Problems between two people usually involve both partners in some way.

5. List past attempts that failed to resolve the issue.
- This will allow you to realise that you have made efforts to resolve the conflict in the past, and to avoid potential solutions that have proven unsuccessful.

6. Brainstorm possible solutions
- Use your creativity to come up with as many solution as possible without being either judgemental or critical.

7. Discuss the pros and cons of proposed solutions
- For each proposed solution, list the appropriateness, your ability to implement it as well as the constraints.
- Discuss all the solutions, even though some may seem to be better than others.

8. Agree on one solution to try out
- Between both of you, arrive at a consensus as to which solution will work the best.
- Remember that the solution agreed upon is not always the first choice of either partner. Compromise is crucial to arrive at a workable solution.
- Both partners need to identify specifically what wach of them will do in carrying out the solution.
- Be specific and focus on observable behaviours. For example, "I will give you a call when I can't be home by 7 o'clock".

9. Evaluate progress and feasibility of solution adopted
- The next meeting should be reasonably soon (e.g. one week later). Use the meeting to discuss how successful the solution is. Ask yourself questions like "Is it working?". If it is not working, go back to reclarigy the issue or brainstorm solutions.

10. Celebrate and reward each other for the efforts put in to resolve the issue
- Share your observation of how your partner has positively contributed to resolving the conflict.
- Praise your partner for his/her effort.
Rules for Disagreements
1. No Criticism
2. No name-calling or labelling
3. Stick to the subject
- Don't raise other issues to prove a point
4. Avoid absolutes like "you always", "you never" or "everytime"
5. Agree to disgree
- Differences are not an obstacle to being intimate, but how you handle the differences can be.
6. Remember to love
- The person you are having conflicts with is not your enemy. He/she is the person whom you love and chose to marry.
7. Know when to stop
- When all you want to do is hurt your partner, or when one or both of you are out of control, it is time to stop the argument. Arrange for another time to resolve the issue.
8. When you find yourselves stuck in repetitive negative cycles of interactions, it is better to seek professional help
- Don't wait till the problem gets too big to handle.
9. Settle any argument before going to bed
- If it is impossible to do so, schedule another time and place to resolve the issue.

One of the hallmarks of a successful relationship is the ability to resolve conflicts effectively and in a way that is satisfactory to both partners. Many couples report that working successfully together in resolving conflicts brings them closer and create warm loving feelings. Try to practice all the steps and rules mentioned, and let conflicts bring the two of you closer, not further apart.
 
hihihihi everyone

hihi lightz, welcome to bt panjang
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binbin, yes! I caught EFAG2 all the way to the end. You caught the first part of the last ep right? Basically the last ep didn't really have much except how she had a 'hard' decision. Well it was more how she had difficulty telling Howard it wasn't him but Wolfgang. She told him that she didn't want to be treated like a princess anymore and would rather be with someone whom she could share and learn from. Her expressions seemed kinda awkward while saying all those things tho!

Then the second part of the show was the chat with Vernetta Lopez. Vern interviewed the couple on whether that photograph in question (the one published in the papers) was legit. So they verified it, and said that even though they weren't allowed to meet each other before the final ep was telecast, they still went ahead on their Bali trip anyway because Wolfgang noticed that Denise was so down. She was down because of the show - since she rejected Howard, think she felt very bad. They did say that they were in love and she professed her love to Wolfgang. OK... i'm quite upset she chose wolfgang actually. haha... even tho Howard doesn't look as good, I think he's really sweet! wasted lar
 
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When things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours
In a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of coffee.

A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in Front of him.
When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar
and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full.
They agreed that it was.

The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the
jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas
between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was
full. They agreed that it was.

The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar.
Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full.
The students responded with a unanimous "yes."

The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table
And poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the
Professor as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life.

The golf balls are the important things --God, your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite
passions—and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full.
The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car. The
Sand is everything else--the small stuff."

"If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no
Room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you
Spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you.
"Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups.
Take your spouse out to dinner.. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal.
Take care of the golf balls first--the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes
To show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always
Room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend."

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hi wise, what a true reminder for us to take a break away from work and spend more time with families and friends.
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welcome lightz
 
hi matka, finally hear from you!!
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wanna tell u i finally went to the West Coast Dog Run this morning! went with another couple and we had a lovely time there. Prince had fun, thanks for telling me how to get there mths bacK!
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i will defintitely go again...

oh dear...
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sigh....denise in love with wolfgang? i am so sad to hear that. actually i find those bachelorette or 1st season of EFAG so bimbiotic coz its so materialistic and surface and for show. i mean, how can ppl fall in love on screen? but this season touches me probably coz denise was really real and she showed her true emotions at many a times, and she admitted she started the show as a skeptic. thing is, i find howard so genuine and funny and endearing. i noticed him since the 1st episode during his rendering of the hilarious 1st song..hehehe.... i love the things he did for her, that video tape that bought tears to her eyes, u really feel its coming from the heart u know what i mean? wanted him to win so much, coz i felt wolfgang is like too packaged up and too good to be real kinda guy. everything he did or said was perfect, so silly and unreal. sigh......quite sad loh.
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i supposed howard must have looked really sad when the choice was made, and i could imagine the turmoil in her. actually, whats so wrong about feeling like a princess?? being in love sometimes make you feel that way.....sigh......so sad........
 
hello all!

on EFAG II: I think wolfgang represented the material dream, a guy who is rich, has the means to wow you with what his money can buy (expensive gift, whole set of high class food dishes ordered to his place, arty farty interests, etc). howard was the opp, a down to earth sweet trying his best w/o resorting to expensive stuff instead rely on cheap but thoughtful actions, aka song, video, book kind of guy. Sadly it was apparent that denise seemed to be a materialistic girl beneath it all and while she was touched by howard, she still yearned for all the material stuff and high class sophistication wolfgang could bring.

Tho I felt sad for howard, I tot its better for him not to be tangled up with her, I think he deserves better!!
 
NKF News

Here's what the web page say.......

NKF CEO's $600,000 pay revealed in court
By Bertha Henson
July 12, 2005
The Straits Times

A CLOSELY guarded secret of the National Kidney Foundation (NKF) was finally made public yesterday: the salary of its chief executive T.T. Durai.

Gasps could be heard in the courtroom when it was revealed that on top of his $25,000 a month salary, he also received 10 to 12 months in yearly bonuses. That makes his annual salary between $550,000 and $600,000, or $1.8 million in total over the past three years.

This fact, and the disclosure that he had flown first class on NKF's funds, emerged on Day 1 of NKF's defamation suit against Singapore Press Holdings (SPH).



The NKF, which is entirely dependent on public funds, offers dialysis treatment to kidney patients. Two out of every three Singaporeans contribute to it.

It is taking issue with a Straits Times article by senior correspondent Susan Long published on April 19 last year, which stated that a gold-plated tap had been installed and later replaced in the private bathroom in Mr Durai's office suite.

The NKF and Mr Durai contend that this was not the case and that the words in the article, 'The NKF: Controversially ahead of its time?', had damaged their reputation by implying that donors' funds were being misused. The hearing yesterday was delayed by the NKF's application for special damages of $3.24 million, which it claimed was what it lost in donations following the publication of the article. Justice Tan Lee Meng threw out the application and ordered the NKF to pay SPH's legal cost for its last-minute move.

At the hearing, Senior Counsel Davinder Singh, acting for SPH, noted that the tap in question cost $990, expensive by his standards although Mr Durai did not agree. The lawyer sought to show that the NKF was neither honest nor transparent about the way it uses donors' funds.

He told the court he had to ask the NKF three times, twice through the courts, to have the salary of its CEO made public.

Mr Durai, represented by Senior Counsel Michael Khoo, was the only witness who took the stand yesterday. Among those in the gallery was NKF patron, Mrs Goh Chok Tong, wife of the Senior Minister, who left midway through the hearing.

Mr Durai argued that he was not required by law to tell the public what he earned, even though he conceded that they paid his salary. Also, he wanted to protect his personal privacy.

Mr Singh asked: 'The man who earns $1,000 a month who donates $50... every month thinking that it is going to save lives, should they not know that that is the kind of money you earn?' Replied Mr Durai: 'I don't see the need for him to know.' He denied Mr Singh's charge that he refused to disclose his salary as he knew he would lose moral authority with donors.

Mr Durai's travel perks also came under scrutiny.

Not only had the NKF maintained consistently - as recently as in the April 19 article - that none of its executives flew first class, it had threatened to sue people who said Mr Durai did so.

At least two people have had to apologise publicly and pay damages and costs for saying they had seen Mr Durai travel first class, as the NKF said this implied he was wasting donors' funds.

Under questioning, he admitted he had flown first class on some airlines. His explanation: The NKF board allowed this as long as he did not bust the Singapore Airlines business-class rate.

Mr Singh countered: 'Isn't it your duty as a trustee of people's monies to make sure that you get best value on a business-class seat instead of deploying this clever tactic... using it for first class on another plane?'

Mr Durai replied: 'This is a decision made by the board. I used the entitlement.' The entitlement, he added, kicked in only in the past two years. Previously, when he flew first class, he had paid the difference out of his own pocket, he maintained.

Mr Singh noted that although he now flew first class, Mr Durai did not correct his chairman Richard Yong's assertion in the April 19 article that 'there is no such thing as first-class travel'.

'The reason you hide the truth is because you know that that is the wrong thing to do, using people's money, and you know that is mismanagement of donations.'

Mr Durai was asked if he should now 'do the right thing' by the two individuals who had paid him damages and costs for saying what he had now admitted in court. He said no, sticking to his claim that at that time, he did not travel first class using NKF funds and when he did so, he paid the difference himself.
 
hello wise,

haha, this NKF issue is definitely a much debated topic these few days.

Durai has withdrawn his case yesterday as the facts are not on his side after being forced to reveal his salary package and admitting that he did fly first-class.

Feel so disgusted in the way that Durai is trying to go round the problem and build excuses unconvincingly. feel so cheated that more than 50% of my monthly contribution goes to his pay check.

we shd ask for more transparency, not only from NKF but also from other charity organisations. the contributors have the right to know the way funds are spent.
 
hi hippos, can't help but agree with you. i was thinking to myself, if denise chose wolfgang, then i guess she's not the kinda girl i tot she is.....so when i realised she did....sigh....quite sad loh. well, u are right, think howard deserves better.... but i still feel denise looks gorgeous....
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btw, heard on class 95 the blind date segment, the eligible bachelor this time sounds like howard, same name, same accent, same way of talking...

the NKF saga, has all of us talking since last week.... heard there's a petition going on for him to resign.... one of my respected seniors said about it : "The NKF and Durai should learn by now that those who live in a glass house should not throw stones".
 
binbin: yes it is howard on the radio, you can see class95 webbie, his photo is there! Let's hope he finds someone more deserving from there!

wise: hahaha so the couple must walk in a fixed pattern all the time?
 
Hi all...

Took a walk (by LRT) around bukit panjang yesterday.
The flats at jelapang looks nice to me... (Wondering if there are any left)

The flats at segar looks nice also... (but still prefer jelapang)
However, the cluster seems quite isolated from the neighbourhood.
 
Hi lightz,
ya the cluster at segar seems quite isolated fr the neighbourhood, maybe you can call this exclusive. the reason why my hb choose segar becos of this reason.

i agree wif u the flats at jelapang are nice... like condo hor.... and oso near to lrt station.
 
Hi pekochan,

Initially, i tot the ones at jelapang are condo...
Until the LRT approaches closer then i realised that it's a HDB. :P
Anyway, becos it's close to LRT station, that few blocks would be my 1st choice... (hahaha... like choosing Secondary sch after O levels!!)

As for segar, the distance is a bit "off" but i think it's still not too bad. Maybe when the CC and the area beside has developed, it'll be better.
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(oops... then not too exclusive liao)
 
lightz,
which other area besides BP u have in mind? r u getting married soon? if not u can take ur time to source lor... i dun like the lrt here i still prefer bus...but most of the time we will drive unless i go out by myself i hv to take lrt.
 
Hi pekochan,

I dun mind living in BP, cos my parents live in CCK and i work in JE. My FW works in Bukit Batok (which is not too far away also.)

Intend to ROM after applying for a flat.
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lightz,
oic. there are oso some flats at yew tee area a few bus stop away from yew tee mrt. one of my frens just got a flat there. maybe u can oso consider there. btw do u own a car? if yes then staying at segar will not be a problem at all. fr my experience it's diff to get a cab at segar during morning rush hr...
 
pekochan,
I dun own a car, i dun mind walking if the location is with 1 bus-stop away...
Intend to get a car maybe in abt 3 yrs time. (If i have the extra $$...)
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I also have a friend staying at yew tee... Really A FEW bus-stops away. Distance seems really far.. freaked me off.
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I'm not rich enough to take cab to work. So it's okie. :P
 
hello lightz,

i think there're still a few units left unsold in the jelepang cluster. if u dun mind getting those on the 2nd or 3rd floor. more empty units that faced the carpark.
 

Hi pekochan,
You moved in already?? How's the flats there?? What's good/bad (besides the isolated location & the not-so-near LRT)

yours is 4rm/5rm/EA??
 

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