winterglee
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how about samsung brand? any idea which is better? WF8700/WF8702?
winterglee
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for bosch, which model would you all recommend? can wash king size bed sheets, blanket, curtains will do. thanks!
winterglee
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thanks but i see from bosch website, it seems that their 8kg WM doesnt have stainless steel drum?
celestia75
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EWF1495 take ages to wash ... the big lcd display not user friendly !
henrywoo1978
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Hi Celestia,
Don't the 1945 have the time saver mode?? Well at least for my 1090, I can wash a full load in about an hour. Was thinking of buying that for my parents though.
Cheers.
Don't the 1945 have the time saver mode?? Well at least for my 1090, I can wash a full load in about an hour. Was thinking of buying that for my parents though.
Cheers.
celestia75
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Hi Henry,
time saver do not wash well in full load. it's a half load features actually which design for 4 kgs. Check the rinse function, it takes 1 hr to rinse n spin. Every programmes regarding synthentics,delicates or wool are longer time than bosch n brandt. N not every programme can opt for time save. The big lcd display make me sick using washer. slow respond and still need to GO into the add on features to set yes or no. Washer jus a washer. should we go for unneccesary big lcd display and yet might spoil easily in future ? Arent we shld look for energy saving, time saving n better efficiency ?
time saver do not wash well in full load. it's a half load features actually which design for 4 kgs. Check the rinse function, it takes 1 hr to rinse n spin. Every programmes regarding synthentics,delicates or wool are longer time than bosch n brandt. N not every programme can opt for time save. The big lcd display make me sick using washer. slow respond and still need to GO into the add on features to set yes or no. Washer jus a washer. should we go for unneccesary big lcd display and yet might spoil easily in future ? Arent we shld look for energy saving, time saving n better efficiency ?
Actually for brandt and thomson ,the optia45 is ideally for half loads. For full load, the clothes has got to be lightly soiled for it to be able to wash effectively.
As for the LCD display, well the add on features if its frequent then the memory function would serve to cut the number of presses.
BUt i would still vouch for miele. Simplicity but yet gives you full control.
As for the LCD display, well the add on features if its frequent then the memory function would serve to cut the number of presses.
BUt i would still vouch for miele. Simplicity but yet gives you full control.
winterglee
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hi ridz, find that you are very knowledgeable in WM. hee! i am really confused and i need to get a wm soon. but my hubby didnt want to spend more than 1k for a wm, so i am lost if i should settle for LG/samsung. bosch is over 1k too. so far i only like thomson but its like $1400....
hmm, try calling harvey norman. see if they still have the EWF1495 at 999. its a 8kg washer with i think 1400rpm spin speed. usual price is around 1.8k+ but they had it on offer. not sure if still around.
Thats a good deal.
Anyway for bosch machines, if you are looking at below 1k there are some models if you purchase at those neighbourhood stores. like i think they say goh ah bee.. or parisilk you might be able to get cheaper than those big departmental stores where they sell at recommended retail price.
if given a real choice, since spending up to 1k why get a not so reputable one when if you just add by a few hundred, you can get a reliable one.
Continental washers if you take good care of it can last you long. so might want to consider. there are some forumers who use their continental washer for like 10-15 years. so yeah. but of course these days the quality isnt that fantastics as it used to be so expect a 7-8 year lifespan perhaps?
Thats a good deal.
Anyway for bosch machines, if you are looking at below 1k there are some models if you purchase at those neighbourhood stores. like i think they say goh ah bee.. or parisilk you might be able to get cheaper than those big departmental stores where they sell at recommended retail price.
if given a real choice, since spending up to 1k why get a not so reputable one when if you just add by a few hundred, you can get a reliable one.
Continental washers if you take good care of it can last you long. so might want to consider. there are some forumers who use their continental washer for like 10-15 years. so yeah. but of course these days the quality isnt that fantastics as it used to be so expect a 7-8 year lifespan perhaps?
i purchase the Thomson TX-928AN with 5yrs warranty with HN.
the brandt person come to my place for demo....
they say the Thomson OptiA45 can wash full load which is not so heavy soil.
for the turning, those function on top can wash full load and those bottom are half load...
when you purchase thomson and brandt washer, u can request for demo.
the brandt person come to my place for demo....
they say the Thomson OptiA45 can wash full load which is not so heavy soil.
for the turning, those function on top can wash full load and those bottom are half load...
when you purchase thomson and brandt washer, u can request for demo.
winterglee
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i have shortlisted the following models, but no idea of the prices yet, anyone can help me on the estimate price and which is a better choice? thanks so much!
1) bosch was284441/wae24460
2) brandt wfk1018A
3) F&P wh80f60w1
4) turbo tw812
5) thomson thc1488a
1) bosch was284441/wae24460
2) brandt wfk1018A
3) F&P wh80f60w1
4) turbo tw812
5) thomson thc1488a
i cannot remember how much they are exactly but roughly.
1) bosch was284441/wae24460 - this i reckon 1.7k++ on wards
2) brandt wfk1018A this shld be around 1.3k
3) F&P wh80f60w1 cant recall. but i would take this out of consideration
4) turbo tw812 no idea but also out of the list
5) thomson thc as for this i think around 1.5k
what is your budget and requirements>?
1) bosch was284441/wae24460 - this i reckon 1.7k++ on wards
2) brandt wfk1018A this shld be around 1.3k
3) F&P wh80f60w1 cant recall. but i would take this out of consideration
4) turbo tw812 no idea but also out of the list
5) thomson thc as for this i think around 1.5k
what is your budget and requirements>?
winterglee
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hi ridz, thank you! actually after much considerations (with your kind advices), i am narrowing down to bosch/brandt.
however, i read the following and got real confused:
1) bosch 284441/24460:
drum: polinox. not sure if its good and what kind of material?
2)droplet shaped surface drum seems harsh on clothings?
3) only 24460 indicated as stainless steel drum, so i suppose 284441 is not?
4) tub: all plastic (plastic doesnt seem good?)
brandt 1018a:
spinning efficiency is class c, i think i should consider 1248A with class b.
drum: stainless steel. but cant see from website what drum surface they are using and if similar with bosch?
tub: Polytenax (dont know what is this and if its good too?)
dont know if any model has those kill bacterial or odours ones? i only hear of samsung silver nano wash.
however, i read the following and got real confused:
1) bosch 284441/24460:
drum: polinox. not sure if its good and what kind of material?
2)droplet shaped surface drum seems harsh on clothings?
3) only 24460 indicated as stainless steel drum, so i suppose 284441 is not?
4) tub: all plastic (plastic doesnt seem good?)
brandt 1018a:
spinning efficiency is class c, i think i should consider 1248A with class b.
drum: stainless steel. but cant see from website what drum surface they are using and if similar with bosch?
tub: Polytenax (dont know what is this and if its good too?)
dont know if any model has those kill bacterial or odours ones? i only hear of samsung silver nano wash.
winterglee
New Member
can wash king size bed sheet, blanket. budget well i think of cos as cheap as possible till 1500.
celestia75
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how about lg direct drive 8kg ? price cheap.
winterglee
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hi steven, did you get brandt? any reviews from you or any one you know of? hmm LG i dont know why, dont like that brand, feel it is not reliable enough....hee
i purchase Thomson TX928N. this model is Brandt Premium brand, i been using it since last year Oct.
Brandt premium model have OptiA45 same as Thomson Topload.
At first i want to get brandt 1248A but find it too big for my service yard and also i don't like to bend down to take in and out laundry.
i like it but this only 5.5kg as it is top opening frontload type and it is small.
i don't trust LG.
Brandt premium model have OptiA45 same as Thomson Topload.
At first i want to get brandt 1248A but find it too big for my service yard and also i don't like to bend down to take in and out laundry.
i like it but this only 5.5kg as it is top opening frontload type and it is small.
i don't trust LG.
celestia75
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Hi all,
wfk1248a worth to consider. very big porthole n tilted drum.price a bit more compare LG but worth buying.
wfk1248a worth to consider. very big porthole n tilted drum.price a bit more compare LG but worth buying.
most of the washers continental washing style drum itself is made of stainless steel. THere are omega beaters in the drum. Some uses metal still which is smoother than those drums that uses plastic as the omega beaters.
Then the tub or outer drum most as i say are using plastic. very far and few manufacturer still keep on using stainless steel. namely miele, aeg. not sure about others.
Then the tub or outer drum most as i say are using plastic. very far and few manufacturer still keep on using stainless steel. namely miele, aeg. not sure about others.
oh yeah the tear drop shaped drum of bosch is disappointingly not as smooth as miele's honeycomb drum. and in fact even those microholes drum of miele is even smoother than the supposedly more advance bosch tear drop shaped drum. try running your fingers around the run to find out.
winterglee
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thanks ridz! but for brandt, any idea is the inside smooth? i haven got time to do shopping yet, hee! miele 542 is better in which sense? i only hear it is reliable. where can i get for 1699? i last read from forums is 1799.
also it is 6kg, i doubt it can wash my king size bedsheets/curtains. bosch drum is 65l, brandt is 60l.
also it is 6kg, i doubt it can wash my king size bedsheets/curtains. bosch drum is 65l, brandt is 60l.
well i cannot guarantee that price. i think the only ones that were holding on to the stock of miele w562 is best denki.
well you have to actually take a look at miele.
Its build quality is far superior that anything in the market.
ask around or read my forum "Miele washer and dryer" to find out.
MIele is the rolls royce of washing machine
ive personally washed a queen sized QUILT in the w562. its okay. so a king sized bedsheet sbhould pose a big problem though it would be better to have a bigger drum.
but built quality miele shines over even bosch.
miele is still fully made in germany, they are a family run business and all their part are also made from miele. including chipboard, fascia, body parts yup.
well you have to actually take a look at miele.
Its build quality is far superior that anything in the market.
ask around or read my forum "Miele washer and dryer" to find out.
MIele is the rolls royce of washing machine
ive personally washed a queen sized QUILT in the w562. its okay. so a king sized bedsheet sbhould pose a big problem though it would be better to have a bigger drum.
but built quality miele shines over even bosch.
miele is still fully made in germany, they are a family run business and all their part are also made from miele. including chipboard, fascia, body parts yup.
winterglee
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oh yes i read somewhere shd be 57l in exact. thanks again for reminding
perhaps i should consider bosch 24441 (as drum is bigger) and miele.
celestia75
New Member
miele definetely is a gud grab at 1699 if u think 6kg is sufficient. 55l drum for king size bedsheet might not wash well bcoz smaller drum doesnt have enough space for bedsheet to tumble well. Even u can wash bedsheet,how about comforter or quilt ?Or jus send the bulky 1 to laundry shop... if overload, it might shorten the lifespan of machine. if i m not wrong, the miele w562 washes 2 hours for cotton cycle which are not energy saving at all.
well 2 hours of wash time, highly depends on settings. and in fact that is the standard washing time.. there abouts.. for continental style of washing for the wash to be effective.
and there is a short option. if you were to compare specs to spec, even though w562 is not relatively a new model its specs its even better if not on par with current models.
W562
Rated 6kg
Volume of drum is 55 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 109 min
Consumptions 1.02kwh
Water Consumptions 49 litres.
Compare this to
Brandt wfk1248a
Rated 8kg
Volume of drum is 57 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 125 min
Consumptions 1.36kwh
Water Consumptions 59 litres.
Okay cos the volumetric size is different. lets make per litre of clothes. Cos if you do consider based on rating its not fair cos technically if you load the same clothes into a drum, a bigger drum can accomodate more clothes but 55 and 57 litres is 6 kg and 8kg. I dun think so its fair to count that way so i presume we use the amount of space as a guide, Its fairer. look again.
W562
Rated 6kg
Volume of drum is 55 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 109 min is definitely shorter than brandt.
Consumptions 1.02kwh divide by 55 = 0.01854kwh of electricity per LITRE OF spaces of clothes worth.
Water Consumptions 49 litres. divide by 55 = 0.89089litres of water for every litre of clothes you wash.
Brandt wfk1248a
Rated 8kg
Volume of drum is 57 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 125 min
Consumptions 1.36kwh divide by 57 = 0.0238kwh of electricity consumed to wash per litre space worth of clothes. Thats more than miele.
Water Consumptions 59 litres divide by 57 = 1.0358 litres of clothes to wash one litre volumetric worth of clothes.
Gee so brandt isnt as energy savings as we thought it to really be.
and yes no doubt brandt has a optia45 where you can wash a full load about 45 mins . BUT that is if the clothes are lightly soiled. in singapore weather context its effective to use a normal cotton cycle. unless the lightly soiled means you use the clothes to sleep in a relatively cool environment. thats lightly soiled.
lets look at bosch then
Bosch WAS32791ME
Rated 8kg
Volume of drum is 65 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 135 min
Consumptions 1.36kwh divided by 65 = 0.0209kwh per litre of clothes. Better than brandt but worse than miele.
Water Consumptions 56 litre divide bt 65 = 0.8615
yes in terms of water consumptions, this is just very slightly better than miele, of course way better than brandt.
So yeah. ratings vs actual load you put in can differ. Like the LG machines, i called up LG hQ in korea to verify that yes their drum size for their 8kg washers are 57 litres. as compares to brandt which is the same 57 and versus bosch of 65litres and electrolux 8kg washers are 63 litres big.
SO yeah and look at the consumtions too. brandt states that those consumptions are for normal 6 - 7 kg cotton cycle even though its rated 8kg washer.
and guess what, this miele is only the basic range, and its competing with the top range of each of the other competitors.
lets look at miele top range washer then
miele 4446
Rated 6kg
Volume of drum is 55 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Consumptions 1.02kwh divide by 55 = 0.01854kwh of electricity per LITRE OF spaces of clothes worth.
Water Consumptions 47 litres. divide by 55 = 0.854 litres of water for every litre of clothes you wash which is best. and its featuring full enamelled body guaranteed not to chip, rust or yellow.
with the following wash programmes:
Automatic
Cottons
Minimum iron
Delicates
Shirts
Denim
Sportswear
Dark garments
Woollens
Silks
Hygiene
Curtains
Pillows
Outerwear
Proofing
Express
Separate rinse
Starch
weighing system to inform you of the load as well as recommended dosage of detergent, waterproof system and drum lighting and you can customise the wash phase, rhythm , etc. which is not avaiable in other washers as well as its great very gentle honeycomb drum.
and there is a short option. if you were to compare specs to spec, even though w562 is not relatively a new model its specs its even better if not on par with current models.
W562
Rated 6kg
Volume of drum is 55 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 109 min
Consumptions 1.02kwh
Water Consumptions 49 litres.
Compare this to
Brandt wfk1248a
Rated 8kg
Volume of drum is 57 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 125 min
Consumptions 1.36kwh
Water Consumptions 59 litres.
Okay cos the volumetric size is different. lets make per litre of clothes. Cos if you do consider based on rating its not fair cos technically if you load the same clothes into a drum, a bigger drum can accomodate more clothes but 55 and 57 litres is 6 kg and 8kg. I dun think so its fair to count that way so i presume we use the amount of space as a guide, Its fairer. look again.
W562
Rated 6kg
Volume of drum is 55 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 109 min is definitely shorter than brandt.
Consumptions 1.02kwh divide by 55 = 0.01854kwh of electricity per LITRE OF spaces of clothes worth.
Water Consumptions 49 litres. divide by 55 = 0.89089litres of water for every litre of clothes you wash.
Brandt wfk1248a
Rated 8kg
Volume of drum is 57 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 125 min
Consumptions 1.36kwh divide by 57 = 0.0238kwh of electricity consumed to wash per litre space worth of clothes. Thats more than miele.
Water Consumptions 59 litres divide by 57 = 1.0358 litres of clothes to wash one litre volumetric worth of clothes.
Gee so brandt isnt as energy savings as we thought it to really be.
and yes no doubt brandt has a optia45 where you can wash a full load about 45 mins . BUT that is if the clothes are lightly soiled. in singapore weather context its effective to use a normal cotton cycle. unless the lightly soiled means you use the clothes to sleep in a relatively cool environment. thats lightly soiled.
lets look at bosch then
Bosch WAS32791ME
Rated 8kg
Volume of drum is 65 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Time 135 min
Consumptions 1.36kwh divided by 65 = 0.0209kwh per litre of clothes. Better than brandt but worse than miele.
Water Consumptions 56 litre divide bt 65 = 0.8615
yes in terms of water consumptions, this is just very slightly better than miele, of course way better than brandt.
So yeah. ratings vs actual load you put in can differ. Like the LG machines, i called up LG hQ in korea to verify that yes their drum size for their 8kg washers are 57 litres. as compares to brandt which is the same 57 and versus bosch of 65litres and electrolux 8kg washers are 63 litres big.
SO yeah and look at the consumtions too. brandt states that those consumptions are for normal 6 - 7 kg cotton cycle even though its rated 8kg washer.
and guess what, this miele is only the basic range, and its competing with the top range of each of the other competitors.
lets look at miele top range washer then
miele 4446
Rated 6kg
Volume of drum is 55 litres (actual volumetric worth of clothes its washing)
Wash Cycle Cotton 60
Consumptions 1.02kwh divide by 55 = 0.01854kwh of electricity per LITRE OF spaces of clothes worth.
Water Consumptions 47 litres. divide by 55 = 0.854 litres of water for every litre of clothes you wash which is best. and its featuring full enamelled body guaranteed not to chip, rust or yellow.
with the following wash programmes:
Automatic
Cottons
Minimum iron
Delicates
Shirts
Denim
Sportswear
Dark garments
Woollens
Silks
Hygiene
Curtains
Pillows
Outerwear
Proofing
Express
Separate rinse
Starch
weighing system to inform you of the load as well as recommended dosage of detergent, waterproof system and drum lighting and you can customise the wash phase, rhythm , etc. which is not avaiable in other washers as well as its great very gentle honeycomb drum.
celestia75
New Member
Hi all,
All european machine tested with cotton 60 economy programme which uses the least water and longer timing. tis is for testing in water n energy efficiency. but who will use cotton 60 economy in sg ? longer timing and lesser water ? This is a mistake i made last time when i shop for a washer. normally i use 40degrees cotton programme for washing so usually i ask salesperson about cycle for tat particular programme. and i found it's totally different from catalogue or specs i found from internet. Last time i almost opt for the miele w562 but due to the washing time and small drum so i didnt get tat model. Althought specs is putting 55l for drum size but to me it looks much more smaller than new miele range n brandt model. Even miele had different models for washer and i noticed the little giant(high end) washes in 1 hr while the low end w1714 are 2 hrs oso...w4446 around 1 n half hrs...if u look at their specs, will be different. If u have the machine on, it will be different again. Wat i would say is if you fine with 6kg load n like miele brand, w562 definetely still a gud grab.
All european machine tested with cotton 60 economy programme which uses the least water and longer timing. tis is for testing in water n energy efficiency. but who will use cotton 60 economy in sg ? longer timing and lesser water ? This is a mistake i made last time when i shop for a washer. normally i use 40degrees cotton programme for washing so usually i ask salesperson about cycle for tat particular programme. and i found it's totally different from catalogue or specs i found from internet. Last time i almost opt for the miele w562 but due to the washing time and small drum so i didnt get tat model. Althought specs is putting 55l for drum size but to me it looks much more smaller than new miele range n brandt model. Even miele had different models for washer and i noticed the little giant(high end) washes in 1 hr while the low end w1714 are 2 hrs oso...w4446 around 1 n half hrs...if u look at their specs, will be different. If u have the machine on, it will be different again. Wat i would say is if you fine with 6kg load n like miele brand, w562 definetely still a gud grab.
Yeah that would be a fair basis of comparison to begin with as thats the standard wash programme that is tested across the board. Which makes it easier to compare at one glance.
Perception is not accurate and hence the comparision based on real size of the drum. that would make comparison a lot more objective rather than subjective.
The little giant machines are professional machines range and not domestic use, hence not to be used for comparison with domestic appliances.
Its not for the faint heart in terms of timing. Personally after using continental washer over 20++ years. i have no qualms over long washing time. Timings are adjusted accordingly and i usually dun take notice of the timing.
factually speaking, in terms of consumptions data, miele still stands out. not to be overwhelmed over details that may not necessarily be a true indicator
Perception is not accurate and hence the comparision based on real size of the drum. that would make comparison a lot more objective rather than subjective.
The little giant machines are professional machines range and not domestic use, hence not to be used for comparison with domestic appliances.
Its not for the faint heart in terms of timing. Personally after using continental washer over 20++ years. i have no qualms over long washing time. Timings are adjusted accordingly and i usually dun take notice of the timing.
factually speaking, in terms of consumptions data, miele still stands out. not to be overwhelmed over details that may not necessarily be a true indicator
oh yeah as pointed out that
All european machine tested with cotton 60 economy programme which uses the least water and longer timing. tis is for testing in water n energy efficiency.
The ratings for Miele is based not on economy settings but on standard 60 degrees cotton wash. so that makes it stand better.
All european machine tested with cotton 60 economy programme which uses the least water and longer timing. tis is for testing in water n energy efficiency.
The ratings for Miele is based not on economy settings but on standard 60 degrees cotton wash. so that makes it stand better.
celestia75
New Member
i agreed but different ppl say different things. anyway Miele definetely still the best washer amongs all ~
hazelnutgal
New Member
Hi, not sure if this is a silly question. how many kg washign machine should i buy so that i can wash a king size quilt cover? the salesman recommended 8 kg, but seems a bit too big, thus thinking if can buy smaller one. thanks!
celestia75
New Member
Bigger drum and capacity will prevent user overload their washer...sometimes its gud to buy bigger drum...