salsa_babe
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Brother, church this Sunday? Or temple also can...
Any above 30s woman looking for love?
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powderful07
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TEMPLE!!! Not Buddhist Temple!
Main Entry: 2temple
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *tempula, alteration of Latin tempora (plural) temples
Date: 14th century
1 : the flattened space on each side of the forehead of some mammals including humans
2 : one of the side supports of a pair of glasses jointed to the bows and passing on each side of the head
I need to sack the Imperial Teacher liao...sub standard teachings...
Main Entry: 2temple
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Vulgar Latin *tempula, alteration of Latin tempora (plural) temples
Date: 14th century
1 : the flattened space on each side of the forehead of some mammals including humans
2 : one of the side supports of a pair of glasses jointed to the bows and passing on each side of the head
I need to sack the Imperial Teacher liao...sub standard teachings...
janie_wawa
New Member
i have to say that some MALE drivers realli cant drive.....GUYS ALWAYS think they can drive better than women...i beg to differ....although i have to agree that there are some women out there who cant control their car well... but i tink some guys r even worse.. 
i think the correct word to use here to 'compliment' male drivers is....reckless
men & their ego....tsk tsk...haha
i think the correct word to use here to 'compliment' male drivers is....reckless
men & their ego....tsk tsk...haha
powderful07
New Member
Ok janie...let's start the war of the SEXES! Woo hoo!!!
Let me go first...
But don't you think that in general, female drivers tend to be more oblivious to the environment while driving...
Take for example...just this morning, I was in the middle lane of a 3 lane road...20m in front of me, I spot a car turning into my left lane from a side road...as the car managed to get into the left lane, I saw immediately in front of that car a bicycle with those cart in front of them carrying a huge load of cardboards blocking up half the left lane...
My sixth sense kicked in and I knew that the car travelling just in front of me is going to do something stupid and I sounded my horn to warn the driver I'm in the next lane...True enough, the stupid driver decide to swerve out suddenly from the lane and cut into my lane just to get around the bicycle...I gave a long blast on my horn; but the stupid car still insists on cutting half into my lane instead of stopping. End up, I have to swerve my car hard into my right lane just to avoid a collision...Lucky for me, there wasnt any car to my immediate right...if not, it would be me who got into an accident while that moron gets away scot free...
I passed by the car and take a look...female driver...obviously still oblivious to the near multiple collision that she almost put me into...
I not exaggerating here when I say that I have encountered a fair bit of these situation and most (80% at least) of them are lady drivers...
Most male drivers would have bothered to at least check before swerving out suddenly and most of them apparently are aware enough to stop sometimes if they hear a horn behind them...
But not Miss Daisy and her invincible car...
Let me go first...
But don't you think that in general, female drivers tend to be more oblivious to the environment while driving...
Take for example...just this morning, I was in the middle lane of a 3 lane road...20m in front of me, I spot a car turning into my left lane from a side road...as the car managed to get into the left lane, I saw immediately in front of that car a bicycle with those cart in front of them carrying a huge load of cardboards blocking up half the left lane...
My sixth sense kicked in and I knew that the car travelling just in front of me is going to do something stupid and I sounded my horn to warn the driver I'm in the next lane...True enough, the stupid driver decide to swerve out suddenly from the lane and cut into my lane just to get around the bicycle...I gave a long blast on my horn; but the stupid car still insists on cutting half into my lane instead of stopping. End up, I have to swerve my car hard into my right lane just to avoid a collision...Lucky for me, there wasnt any car to my immediate right...if not, it would be me who got into an accident while that moron gets away scot free...
I passed by the car and take a look...female driver...obviously still oblivious to the near multiple collision that she almost put me into...
I not exaggerating here when I say that I have encountered a fair bit of these situation and most (80% at least) of them are lady drivers...
Most male drivers would have bothered to at least check before swerving out suddenly and most of them apparently are aware enough to stop sometimes if they hear a horn behind them...
But not Miss Daisy and her invincible car...
powderful07
New Member
And janie, how do you define reckless?
Is driving fast but safely considered reckless or driving slow but totally inconsiderate reckless?
And to be fair, in general, Males makes better drivers...have you seen any female driver in Formula 1?
Is driving fast but safely considered reckless or driving slow but totally inconsiderate reckless?
And to be fair, in general, Males makes better drivers...have you seen any female driver in Formula 1?
janie_wawa
New Member
hahahaha...i knew it!! i expected that coming...powderful....
like i say....i agree some women realli cant drive...but i have to say some male drivers r realli moron!
not saying u mah....so ji dong zo simi...
den y issit that males usually cant pass their 1st TP har??? ahh..i noe wat u will say....females easier coz they juz nid to flash some bah?? hahaha
like i say....i agree some women realli cant drive...but i have to say some male drivers r realli moron!
not saying u mah....so ji dong zo simi...
den y issit that males usually cant pass their 1st TP har??? ahh..i noe wat u will say....females easier coz they juz nid to flash some bah?? hahaha
janie_wawa
New Member
oh btw....u started it 1st...
'Especially those female drivers that are so oblivious on the roads...hogging right lanes on expressways when there's a vehicle convey of 20 cars behind her...cutting in lanes without any signals or indications...straddling two lanes...'
i would tink tat male drivers are the ones who ALWAYS do not give signals & cut lanes....juz look at all the taxi uncles.... hahaa
another thing...i belief MOST accidents that happen are MEN behind the wheels...m i right?
'Especially those female drivers that are so oblivious on the roads...hogging right lanes on expressways when there's a vehicle convey of 20 cars behind her...cutting in lanes without any signals or indications...straddling two lanes...'
i would tink tat male drivers are the ones who ALWAYS do not give signals & cut lanes....juz look at all the taxi uncles.... hahaa
another thing...i belief MOST accidents that happen are MEN behind the wheels...m i right?
hmm... in my view as a passenger.. i wun say male drivers are more reckless.. i will say a handful of sg drivers are inconsiderate or not courteous.. how often do we see ppl waving as a gesture of appreaciation when we let him/her through or cut into the lane?
other drivers just signal and den cut into the lane without checking the speed of the car behind and then swerve in as if he/she has the right to because he/she did signal... -_-"
other drivers just signal and den cut into the lane without checking the speed of the car behind and then swerve in as if he/she has the right to because he/she did signal... -_-"
Janie, don't be ignorant. It's good that you are standing up for the ladies, but argue constructively, and not emotionally. Ladies are generally bad drivers and THAT'S A FACT. If you are a driver yourself, you would acknowledge that, unless you are myopic. Those who brake suddenly, or swerve into other lanes without signals, or come out of minor roads to major roads by heading straight for the outer most Lane 1 without regard for incoming traffic, are usually ladies. This is a fact, and something we drivers have to bear the brunt everyday. As for why most accidents happen to be men behind the wheels, it's cos most of the drivers are men. It's like i'm saying most of the ungracious people in Singapore are women, cos i see people reserving tables with tissue papers, ignoring that most people who carry tissues are ladies. On that note, some guys are screw ups too, and i'm not denying that.
janie_wawa
New Member
wow wow, powderful...tis 1 yr fren ah? y so unfrenly 1?
do i look like im even ARGUING? i sure dun argue while sticking out my tongue...not to mention arguing emotionally, when i 've already said tat i agree some woman realli cant drive.
IF you insist, so be it. I can insist on my views u can insist on yrs. doesnt bother me anyway, but seems like u r VERY BOTHERED by it.
talking about reserving tables ya...tats realli a bad sight & luckily im not 1 of those who does tat..& im definitely not one of the so called BAD DRIVERS as well....in fact many ppl commented tat im a zai driver...could well be better than men... *sibeh proud face*
i can only say tat...guys these days r realli ungentleman, not giving up seats even to ppl who nids them, squeezing into the train when its already full, fighting for seat with a woman in the train, not pressing the lift for others, etc...u name it, i've seen it. kinda disgusted by these, i even have to let the man get out of the lift 1st in order to avoid some pushing.
anyway i had my revenge last thurs while on a train, a MAN actually tried to board the train when others haven even got off (tats a usual sight), I was trying to alight & there he was, squeezing his way in..i did wat i HAVE TO...i pushed him real hard to a corner till he backed off...of coz...with a loud "TSK!" & he finally back off with a stunned look...& he realli made my day! felt so SONG after tat...hahaha
but of coz some women are equally bad...sometimes...feels kinda paiseh tat im a s'porean... (ok i got a feeling more bombings coming my way....better zao 1st..haha)
do i look like im even ARGUING? i sure dun argue while sticking out my tongue...not to mention arguing emotionally, when i 've already said tat i agree some woman realli cant drive.
IF you insist, so be it. I can insist on my views u can insist on yrs. doesnt bother me anyway, but seems like u r VERY BOTHERED by it.
talking about reserving tables ya...tats realli a bad sight & luckily im not 1 of those who does tat..& im definitely not one of the so called BAD DRIVERS as well....in fact many ppl commented tat im a zai driver...could well be better than men... *sibeh proud face*
i can only say tat...guys these days r realli ungentleman, not giving up seats even to ppl who nids them, squeezing into the train when its already full, fighting for seat with a woman in the train, not pressing the lift for others, etc...u name it, i've seen it. kinda disgusted by these, i even have to let the man get out of the lift 1st in order to avoid some pushing.
anyway i had my revenge last thurs while on a train, a MAN actually tried to board the train when others haven even got off (tats a usual sight), I was trying to alight & there he was, squeezing his way in..i did wat i HAVE TO...i pushed him real hard to a corner till he backed off...of coz...with a loud "TSK!" & he finally back off with a stunned look...& he realli made my day! felt so SONG after tat...hahaha
but of coz some women are equally bad...sometimes...feels kinda paiseh tat im a s'porean...
(ok i got a feeling more bombings coming my way....better zao 1st..haha)
miloice
Well-Known Member
Just be honest.
of the 'lan' drivers you experienced so far in Singapore and overseas, the percentage of lan drivers are more inclined to ladies.
Next...
again being completely honest.
of all the fast drivers...
you experienced so far in Singapore and overseas, the percentage of fast drivers are more inclined to guys.
Fast doesn't equals reckless.
Slow doesn't equals safe drivers either.
Its very subjective. All my friends find my driving experienced except my mum. She thinks I'm reckless. Maybe those pple I cut thinks like her too. I always signal. When its tight traffic, and observe before I cut. I thank drivers that give way and ignore idiots the flashes for nothing. In cases, I overlooked the blind spot, I always apologise by waving an apologetic sign.
Everyone drives at the speed that they are comfortable with. But let's all be considerate to other fellow road users. If someone else needs to drive faster, don't assume he/she is reckless. GIVE WAY.
If someone needs to drive slowly, let them do it peacefully on the left lanes. Don't assume that they are lan drivers. If they block your way, just be graceful. Just overtake them giving them enough space to react. If they are really hogging, give a simple flash or light horn.
of the 'lan' drivers you experienced so far in Singapore and overseas, the percentage of lan drivers are more inclined to ladies.
Next...
again being completely honest.
of all the fast drivers...
you experienced so far in Singapore and overseas, the percentage of fast drivers are more inclined to guys.
Fast doesn't equals reckless.
Slow doesn't equals safe drivers either.
Its very subjective. All my friends find my driving experienced except my mum. She thinks I'm reckless. Maybe those pple I cut thinks like her too. I always signal. When its tight traffic, and observe before I cut. I thank drivers that give way and ignore idiots the flashes for nothing. In cases, I overlooked the blind spot, I always apologise by waving an apologetic sign.
Everyone drives at the speed that they are comfortable with. But let's all be considerate to other fellow road users. If someone else needs to drive faster, don't assume he/she is reckless. GIVE WAY.
If someone needs to drive slowly, let them do it peacefully on the left lanes. Don't assume that they are lan drivers. If they block your way, just be graceful. Just overtake them giving them enough space to react. If they are really hogging, give a simple flash or light horn.
miloice
Well-Known Member
hi Jamie,
u wrote : "guys these days r realli ungentleman, not giving up seats even to ppl who nids them, squeezing into the train when its already full, fighting for seat with a woman in the train, not pressing the lift for others"
In fact, if you think deeper, its not GUYS but many singaporeans. This include WOMEN actually. What is a gentlemen? A guy that respect a gal as his equal counterpart BUT at the same time, give her some special rights over seats and everything else? I give up seats to those I believe need them. In fact, many times, these uncles and aunties decline them.
The main dispute I'm pointing out is ... you mentioned 'GUYS these days' vs 'SOME gals'. This is a suggestion that is inclined towards MEN. If you mentioned SINGAPOREANS nowadays, SOME GUYS SOME GALS... that would be more accurate. Cheers.
If you would to reflect over why this is so. It has to do with the society on the whole. People are becoming more and more individualistic. Generally, do families emphasize on these graceful values? The answer is obvious.
u wrote : "guys these days r realli ungentleman, not giving up seats even to ppl who nids them, squeezing into the train when its already full, fighting for seat with a woman in the train, not pressing the lift for others"
In fact, if you think deeper, its not GUYS but many singaporeans. This include WOMEN actually. What is a gentlemen? A guy that respect a gal as his equal counterpart BUT at the same time, give her some special rights over seats and everything else? I give up seats to those I believe need them. In fact, many times, these uncles and aunties decline them.
The main dispute I'm pointing out is ... you mentioned 'GUYS these days' vs 'SOME gals'. This is a suggestion that is inclined towards MEN. If you mentioned SINGAPOREANS nowadays, SOME GUYS SOME GALS... that would be more accurate. Cheers.
If you would to reflect over why this is so. It has to do with the society on the whole. People are becoming more and more individualistic. Generally, do families emphasize on these graceful values? The answer is obvious.
powderful07
New Member
Err...not my fren hor...although he did defend what I said lah...
For me, I was exposed to more of a cultural shock as I had obtained my driving license in Australia while I was studying there...Aussie's driving style is SO SO MUCH MORE GRACIOUS AND CONSIDERATE than Sporeans as a whole...so when I came back, I was really struggling to adapt to the driving culture here where SG drivers are inconsiderate, rude, lousy driving skills etc etc
And why the heck should car manufacturers installed signal lights for cars imported to SG. Most drivers don't use them in SG
By the way, TAXI DRIVERS belong to another category hor...they are not differentiate by gender...
But to be fair to them, if you spend 8 hours on the road everyday, you tend to make more mistakes...BUT that still does not excuse them from some of the stupid things that they do...like swerving into other people lanes suddenly just becos they spot a potential customer...or driving like they freaking own the roads...I'm still digusted by their driving habits in general...
And you also happened to mention one of my pet peeves as well...people blocking the doors of MRT rushing to get in...back in my pre-driving days, I really hated that as well...
Luckily for me, I'm quite tall and big size...so I just barge myself out if any silly bugger think they are big size enough to challenge me physically...Anyway not just MEN lah...lao aunties like to do that also...especially when they have kids, which seems to empower them with the "right of way" when they board the train with a mad gleam in their eyes searching frantically for any inch of seat space before making a mad dash for them, dragging their poor kids trailing behind...
I could go on about the tissue-paper-reserve-table issue as well...but I'll save it for another day of bitching...
All in all, these things that we mentioned above really reflect Singapore's society as a whole isn't it? How sad is that...
For me, I was exposed to more of a cultural shock as I had obtained my driving license in Australia while I was studying there...Aussie's driving style is SO SO MUCH MORE GRACIOUS AND CONSIDERATE than Sporeans as a whole...so when I came back, I was really struggling to adapt to the driving culture here where SG drivers are inconsiderate, rude, lousy driving skills etc etc
And why the heck should car manufacturers installed signal lights for cars imported to SG. Most drivers don't use them in SG
By the way, TAXI DRIVERS belong to another category hor...they are not differentiate by gender...
But to be fair to them, if you spend 8 hours on the road everyday, you tend to make more mistakes...BUT that still does not excuse them from some of the stupid things that they do...like swerving into other people lanes suddenly just becos they spot a potential customer...or driving like they freaking own the roads...I'm still digusted by their driving habits in general...
And you also happened to mention one of my pet peeves as well...people blocking the doors of MRT rushing to get in...back in my pre-driving days, I really hated that as well...
Luckily for me, I'm quite tall and big size...so I just barge myself out if any silly bugger think they are big size enough to challenge me physically...Anyway not just MEN lah...lao aunties like to do that also...especially when they have kids, which seems to empower them with the "right of way" when they board the train with a mad gleam in their eyes searching frantically for any inch of seat space before making a mad dash for them, dragging their poor kids trailing behind...
I could go on about the tissue-paper-reserve-table issue as well...but I'll save it for another day of bitching...
All in all, these things that we mentioned above really reflect Singapore's society as a whole isn't it? How sad is that...
miloice
Well-Known Member
hi powderful,
that's how I feel about driving in the south of France too, but mainly the country areas.
But in the cities, I would say, its pretty much the same and much more chaotic actually. They don't give a damn about scratches and dents on the car. Parking is so tight, they basically knock on each other bumpers to squeeze in.
In Thailand, drivers optimize the parking space by parking perpendicular to the lots. But, the handbrake is released so that the driver can push the cars to get out of their lots.
In Singapore, the cars are untouchable by anyone else.
that's how I feel about driving in the south of France too, but mainly the country areas.
But in the cities, I would say, its pretty much the same and much more chaotic actually. They don't give a damn about scratches and dents on the car. Parking is so tight, they basically knock on each other bumpers to squeeze in.
In Thailand, drivers optimize the parking space by parking perpendicular to the lots. But, the handbrake is released so that the driver can push the cars to get out of their lots.
In Singapore, the cars are untouchable by anyone else.
powderful07
New Member
Yah lor...SG driving culture is unique by itself that it's too conservative and dare I say it, kiasi and kiasu...If you seriously think about it, Driving style really does reflects on a country's culture and it's society graciousness as a whole, doesnt it?
Interesting point to ponder, if you put a SG driver in Thailand, India or Indonesia roads, I tell you, he will wet his pants in 30 seconds...
Anyway, I a bit pai seh hijacking this thread leh...
Otelle, sorry hor...you wanna assume back ownership? I have this tendancy of destroying people's thread when I get carried away...
Interesting point to ponder, if you put a SG driver in Thailand, India or Indonesia roads, I tell you, he will wet his pants in 30 seconds...
Anyway, I a bit pai seh hijacking this thread leh...
Otelle, sorry hor...you wanna assume back ownership? I have this tendancy of destroying people's thread when I get carried away...
miloice
Well-Known Member
hi jamie...
"i would tink tat male drivers are the ones who ALWAYS do not give signals & cut lanes"
I would think that lady drivers are those who ALWAYS give left signals to turn right and take forever to filter making the driver regret for even giving way to them.
This kind of list is actually endless one
"i would tink tat male drivers are the ones who ALWAYS do not give signals & cut lanes"
I would think that lady drivers are those who ALWAYS give left signals to turn right and take forever to filter making the driver regret for even giving way to them.
This kind of list is actually endless one
miloice
Well-Known Member
hi powderful...
my 1st time driving in KL during peak hour was an eye opener. Despite driving into JB for years.
Every location conditions and habits are unique one.
In Jakarta, everyone is horning but no one is upset. In France, everyone is waiting as if there is alot of time to waste. After a collision, just look look a bit and then drive off in separate ways. In Msia, everyone is cutting but no one is upset. In Singapore, WE ARE ALWAYS UPSET. Drive slow, hogging. Drive fast, reckless. Don't drive also upset with squeezing in MRT or bus timing too slow. Cycle, kenna scolded by drivers and pedestrians.
my 1st time driving in KL during peak hour was an eye opener. Despite driving into JB for years.
Every location conditions and habits are unique one.
In Jakarta, everyone is horning but no one is upset. In France, everyone is waiting as if there is alot of time to waste. After a collision, just look look a bit and then drive off in separate ways. In Msia, everyone is cutting but no one is upset. In Singapore, WE ARE ALWAYS UPSET. Drive slow, hogging. Drive fast, reckless. Don't drive also upset with squeezing in MRT or bus timing too slow. Cycle, kenna scolded by drivers and pedestrians.
powderful07
New Member
This question just pops into my mind...
You can show your appreciation to a driver who gave way to you or did something nice by a simple wave of your hand...
But are there any hand signals for driver to indicates to other driver "Sorry pal, my bad" when they did something wrong or inconsiderate?
There are a few instances when I screwed up when driving and I feel bad if I dont let the other driver know it was my fault...
Anyone?
You can show your appreciation to a driver who gave way to you or did something nice by a simple wave of your hand...
But are there any hand signals for driver to indicates to other driver "Sorry pal, my bad" when they did something wrong or inconsiderate?
There are a few instances when I screwed up when driving and I feel bad if I dont let the other driver know it was my fault...
Anyone?
Agreed that driving in Oz is much more better than in SG. When you signal to overtake, the one behind will not slow down, instead accelerate.
"i would tink tat male drivers are the ones who ALWAYS do not give signals & cut lanes"
This is when the Male drivers are very confident of themselves
I would think that lady drivers are those who ALWAYS give left signals to turn right and take forever to filter making the driver regret for even giving way to them.
There are some blur female drivers but not all like that...
Hi, I am new to this thread.
"i would tink tat male drivers are the ones who ALWAYS do not give signals & cut lanes"
This is when the Male drivers are very confident of themselves
I would think that lady drivers are those who ALWAYS give left signals to turn right and take forever to filter making the driver regret for even giving way to them.
There are some blur female drivers but not all like that...
Hi, I am new to this thread.
powderful07
New Member
So this is accepted in SG hor?
The salute-nod head with a sheepish look-thingy action?
The salute-nod head with a sheepish look-thingy action?
sgbabydoll
Active Member
Yes, definitely, mainly because in your 30s, you put almost equal weightage in love, nest and bread in life. You don't simply go for love and love only.
You become more aware of self and others, a sign of your maturity.
You would also have been clearer than ever what sort of man you are looking for. You don't get swept off your feet by honey-coated words. You accept compliments with grace but you won't get carried away with any. You would probably be accepting dates from different men but you won't settle for someone just for the sake of it.
While you enjoy the company of people, you also relish in solitude too.
Etc, etc, etc...
Don't you agree that at 30-something, you feel more alive than ever?
You become more aware of self and others, a sign of your maturity.
You would also have been clearer than ever what sort of man you are looking for. You don't get swept off your feet by honey-coated words. You accept compliments with grace but you won't get carried away with any. You would probably be accepting dates from different men but you won't settle for someone just for the sake of it.
While you enjoy the company of people, you also relish in solitude too.
Etc, etc, etc...
Don't you agree that at 30-something, you feel more alive than ever?
pinkhippo2002
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the pool of eligible men shrunk
true i agree with Doll comment on top. anyway i am new here..Hi to everyone..
for the six pack topic i tink my ex have it but he is quite lean if not lean need to train. But i dont think it does matter much right? when u know the guy he cannot be simply topless right..
haha...
for the six pack topic i tink my ex have it but he is quite lean if not lean need to train. But i dont think it does matter much right? when u know the guy he cannot be simply topless right..
haha...
shirleypoise
New Member
I agree with Doll.
Women in their 30s would not be so blinded to love that they forget everything sensible...
Women in their 30s would not be so blinded to love that they forget everything sensible...
sgbabydoll
Active Member
I think women in their 30s are likely to feel comfortable being single having been single for some time?
sgbabydoll
Active Member
SM, 40s completely liberated?
doll, don't know about women, but for men, the golden age is 40s..
30s we buried our head in pursuit of many things.. 40s is to slow down and enjoy..
But if you are already late 30s coming to late 30s... you should already be feeling the effects of 40s.. the want to enjoy life and take things as it is..
30s we buried our head in pursuit of many things.. 40s is to slow down and enjoy..
But if you are already late 30s coming to late 30s... you should already be feeling the effects of 40s.. the want to enjoy life and take things as it is..
dogtag73
Active Member
When single woman is in their 20s, and when guys trying to date or get to know them...they will usually say" Who the hell are you?!?"
When single woman is in their 30s, and when guys trying to date or get to know them...they will usually say" Oh Hi, How are you?!?"
When single woman is in their 40s, they will echo " Where the hell are you?!?"
When single woman is in their 30s, and when guys trying to date or get to know them...they will usually say" Oh Hi, How are you?!?"
When single woman is in their 40s, they will echo " Where the hell are you?!?"
sgbabydoll
Active Member
"But if you are already late 30s coming to late 30s... you should already be feeling the effects of 40s.. the want to enjoy life and take things as it is."
SM, more like I know I can enjoy life and take things as they are (even though I still could not make sense of everything that's happened). It's a choice that I make - to enjoy life and to take certain things as they are.
SM, more like I know I can enjoy life and take things as they are (even though I still could not make sense of everything that's happened). It's a choice that I make - to enjoy life and to take certain things as they are.
may_be_divorced_soon
New Member
How come sm is interested? Looking out for your daughters?