Jurong West: Condemned Housing Estate?
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i've stayed in JW for my entire 20 years. there is no such things like the air is fresher on the other side of the island. if staying near the industrial areas meant dirty air, acid rain and such, so the entire sg is polluted too. areas like woodlands, paya lebar, bukit batok, there is industrial area everywhere!
if JW is really such a bad location, MOE will not be developing so many schools here, especially since it's going to affect the health and growth of those students' brains.
yes, although JW is at the end of sg, it is still a convenient place to live in. i live in st42/ave1 area. bus stop, mrt, jurong point, 10 over coffeeshops for me to dine at, 2 wet markets, 1 ntuc, numerous convenience stores and provision shops.
i do not see a big problem staying here and instead, i will be staying here even after marriage as both our parents are staying in the same area.
so what if you stay in an area that is "cleaner"? i've got friends in sengkang who loves to come over coz we have everything here. she finds it troublesome to travel 10 minutes to get a packet of rice at her area and loves jurong pt. my aunt moved out from sengkang coz she found it too inconvenient.
lastly, the fire 2 days ago is not caused by JW and only affecting people staying in JW. even my colleague staying in the east was affected. people in dover/clementi saw it.
each area has its pros and cons. i do not see a point to target directly at JW and use such a strong term like "condemn". if you really want to live in such a perfect, pretty place free from pollution, acid rain and industrial areas, move to your own utopia.
if JW is really such a bad location, MOE will not be developing so many schools here, especially since it's going to affect the health and growth of those students' brains.
yes, although JW is at the end of sg, it is still a convenient place to live in. i live in st42/ave1 area. bus stop, mrt, jurong point, 10 over coffeeshops for me to dine at, 2 wet markets, 1 ntuc, numerous convenience stores and provision shops.
i do not see a big problem staying here and instead, i will be staying here even after marriage as both our parents are staying in the same area.
so what if you stay in an area that is "cleaner"? i've got friends in sengkang who loves to come over coz we have everything here. she finds it troublesome to travel 10 minutes to get a packet of rice at her area and loves jurong pt. my aunt moved out from sengkang coz she found it too inconvenient.
lastly, the fire 2 days ago is not caused by JW and only affecting people staying in JW. even my colleague staying in the east was affected. people in dover/clementi saw it.
each area has its pros and cons. i do not see a point to target directly at JW and use such a strong term like "condemn". if you really want to live in such a perfect, pretty place free from pollution, acid rain and industrial areas, move to your own utopia.
key_word07
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Jhoo,Queenie and apples&cream..i agree with all the points you all made. Well..we are happy resident of Jurong west.All places have their pro and cons mah but sometimes just that some people so much so like to to "highlight" the cons of JW lor..haiz..we also bo bian lar..hehe..jus let them say ba.
Umm..btw doors i really have to congrats you that you have successfully attract ppl in to join this threads.Hehe.
So much so of what the rest say abt acid rain issue..dust issue..we jus treat it like a pinch of salt. We all have other things to do then worry abt those insignificant things tat seem to affect those anti-JW people.My hubby family used to detest JW too and keep asking us not to buy flat there..but ever since we bought a flat there..my hubby family change their view.They even say we make a good choice cos all the amenities is within reach and the price is so good and my flat is very spacious and nice layout,highfloor somemore.For our case we bought jurong west flat because we like jurong west and this estate benefits me and hubby in everyway..But those who think tat it is really a torture to them to stay here i really quan you guys to move move out lor.Life is short man!~haha
Btw M&M..the 24hrs coffee shop you r refering is it St61 there? if you r talking abt tat area..then jus to let you know hor the flats there are amost fully occupied. Only left those 2nd floor units and those units that hit chinese quota already...alot of my friends are looking for units there but in vain.
Umm..btw doors i really have to congrats you that you have successfully attract ppl in to join this threads.Hehe.
So much so of what the rest say abt acid rain issue..dust issue..we jus treat it like a pinch of salt. We all have other things to do then worry abt those insignificant things tat seem to affect those anti-JW people.My hubby family used to detest JW too and keep asking us not to buy flat there..but ever since we bought a flat there..my hubby family change their view.They even say we make a good choice cos all the amenities is within reach and the price is so good and my flat is very spacious and nice layout,highfloor somemore.For our case we bought jurong west flat because we like jurong west and this estate benefits me and hubby in everyway..But those who think tat it is really a torture to them to stay here i really quan you guys to move move out lor.Life is short man!~haha
Btw M&M..the 24hrs coffee shop you r refering is it St61 there? if you r talking abt tat area..then jus to let you know hor the flats there are amost fully occupied. Only left those 2nd floor units and those units that hit chinese quota already...alot of my friends are looking for units there but in vain.
key_word07
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Jelly wen...maybe to those anti-JW people..every where also air will be fresher than JW lor..hehe
queenie_30
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I feel tt it doesnt matter where one lives or calls a place home caz if we cant chg the evironment but we can chg ourselves!
I used to live in Pasir Ris & not knw much abt JW but aft moving here,it's great!
I used to live in Pasir Ris & not knw much abt JW but aft moving here,it's great!
sillyporean
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If HDB ever need people to promote JW estate, they know who to look for.
applescream
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sillyporean,
now u r being sarcastic..tsk tsk..
u said u started the thread to discuss abt JW. so now got pple giving feedback that it's not a bad place to live and u said we can be advertisers?? aiyo....but come to think abt it..if the govt gives me incentive say tax rebates to advertise JW, also not bad sia..i think i'll do it..right guys?
M&M,
twinkle star's rite...most of the units at st61 r taken. left 2nd floor units..2 of my friends also cldn't get a unit anywhere at 61 or around 61. and they r not building more flats, but pte developers wif condos just next or is it on top of J.Point.
i think sillyporean is just venting his anger?? haha....maybe he cannot get a unit in JW so now very sore abt it?? haha...or maybe he oredi stays in JW, suffers from poor health but cannot sell his unit cos less than 5 yrs, so full of frustration...
sorry ah sillyporean..pardon my speculations..i can't stop thinking what went wrg wif u and JW..
now u r being sarcastic..tsk tsk..
u said u started the thread to discuss abt JW. so now got pple giving feedback that it's not a bad place to live and u said we can be advertisers?? aiyo....but come to think abt it..if the govt gives me incentive say tax rebates to advertise JW, also not bad sia..i think i'll do it..right guys?
M&M,
twinkle star's rite...most of the units at st61 r taken. left 2nd floor units..2 of my friends also cldn't get a unit anywhere at 61 or around 61. and they r not building more flats, but pte developers wif condos just next or is it on top of J.Point.
i think sillyporean is just venting his anger?? haha....maybe he cannot get a unit in JW so now very sore abt it?? haha...or maybe he oredi stays in JW, suffers from poor health but cannot sell his unit cos less than 5 yrs, so full of frustration...
sorry ah sillyporean..pardon my speculations..i can't stop thinking what went wrg wif u and JW..
dltwillight
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I used to stay in Clementi...now staying in JW (very near jurong point). I have to agree on the loud planes; but on bad air quality??..i think basically on the whole, singapore's air isn't good. Is JW really that bad?? i think to differ...in fact, i think JP is one of the better housing estate shopping center in SG. The variety of products, and the fact that there are banks, theaters, 2 food courts....What is so bad?? If JW is that bad and unpopular...why are they building the condo next to JurongPoint???
I think every estate has it's share of pros and cons. i think the most part of us are staying wherever is nearer to our parents. Right??
I think every estate has it's share of pros and cons. i think the most part of us are staying wherever is nearer to our parents. Right??
arrr, one more thing, we are not promoting JW lar, we are just proud staying here, can see the different? Don't think too far away, we are not against you and is not hard to change ur mindset and no intention to change too but stating all fact. We must be content in whatever we have right now, if we think here and there, guess we may end our life much easier and may even end up with nothing...Treasure what we have now, unlike other countries facing all kind of natural disaster, they are more poor thing leh, u see..........
Sorry i mean not easy to change ur mindset... we are not promoting people to stay in JW, its their choice. actually what most people here in this thread means don't pinpoint an area lar when all over the world isn't perfect, it's still best that u raise the concern to our government if the pollution is really doing alot of harm to us.
haha, i have been staying in Boon Lay,Jurong west/east for 27 years liao, nothing wrong with it leh, y so many comments abt JW?? Singapore so small , everywhere is the same lah. hmm..Maybe sold the flat b4 the govt annouced MRT being built pioneer & joo koon, then now regret selling at low price, then now with MRT, prices rose, then start kpkb here, haha..
this is a classic example of miscommunication between the male and female perspective...
sillyporean tries to bring up a topic to objectively weigh out the pros and cons of JW... i guess as a discursive thread...
and is met with feelings feelings feelings... kena misunderstood to 'hate' JW, asked what did JW do to him, and then the whole bandwagon just gang-up talking to each other with undercurrents to take digs at him...
the sarcastic undertones are fine from either side, but it's weird to see one party being sarcastic and accusing the other for being sarcastic... tat's kinda hypocritical.
anyway i like JW, i like driving there and just hanging around driving. there's so much roads to drive there, kinda refreshing. honestly i dun feel it's a condemned estate, it's just a misunderstood estate, especially for pple who dun head there too often, it will always 'sound far'. but it's just a 15mins drive from JP to Town so not too bad. definitely nearer than pasir ris, now tat's a place i consider far, keke.
anyway be objective... be gracious... and dun be overly defensive to the point of losing objectivity...
sillyporean tries to bring up a topic to objectively weigh out the pros and cons of JW... i guess as a discursive thread...
and is met with feelings feelings feelings... kena misunderstood to 'hate' JW, asked what did JW do to him, and then the whole bandwagon just gang-up talking to each other with undercurrents to take digs at him...
the sarcastic undertones are fine from either side, but it's weird to see one party being sarcastic and accusing the other for being sarcastic... tat's kinda hypocritical.
anyway i like JW, i like driving there and just hanging around driving. there's so much roads to drive there, kinda refreshing. honestly i dun feel it's a condemned estate, it's just a misunderstood estate, especially for pple who dun head there too often, it will always 'sound far'. but it's just a 15mins drive from JP to Town so not too bad. definitely nearer than pasir ris, now tat's a place i consider far, keke.
anyway be objective... be gracious... and dun be overly defensive to the point of losing objectivity...
sillyporean
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powder
It's ok.
apple&cream can't present a coherent arguement. She has to resort to speculative character assasination.
It's ok.
apple&cream can't present a coherent arguement. She has to resort to speculative character assasination.
sillyporean
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One must realise that Jurong West is a extremely big estate. The disparity in the amenities in the neighbourhoods reflect the various stages of the development in the Jurong industrial area.
Taman Jurong and Boon Lay place are the two oldest neighbours in Jurong West. Infact, upgrading and enbloc has been carried out in various stages to give the neighbourhoods a new face life.
Boon Lay place used to be centre of night life in Jurong West. Infact, it used to be like a mini Malaysia; as alot of Malaysians working in Jurong/Tuas resides in either Taman Jurong or Boon Lay place. There used to be a cinema there. If I can recall correctly, the last movie that I watched there is True Lies. Fights were rather frequent during the weekends last time, sometimes even right infront of the police post. Actually I still prefer the old hawker centre at Boon Lay place, the new one just lacked the atomsphere.
Taman Jurong is kinda of secluded. Before the small neigbourhood Mac Donalds and KFCs sprang up in various parts of Jurong West, it's the only place you can have Mac Donalds and KFC in Jurong. There is a circa 70s bowling alley and a small pub. Before the Tang Dynasty closed down, there was NTUC club there where you can get super cheap beer.
So far the neighbourhood with the most amenities is the area around Lakeside MRT station where the Jurong West HDB area office is . There are several coffee shops,clinics, and a bank. The Lakeside MRT station is within walking distance.
Then there is the new extentsion.
The first neighbour in the extentsion, is St 91 area near NTU, City Harvest Church. The amenities there are fairly decent. But I must say taking the feeder service is a chore.
There is Gek Poh, fairly new, there is a minimart and minimall.
Most of the new residents in Jurong West are centred around the Pioneer area, near the 600 series blocks. Until the recent opening of the Giant supermarket and the mall, Jurong Point is the only place where you can get grocceries.
Taman Jurong and Boon Lay place are the two oldest neighbours in Jurong West. Infact, upgrading and enbloc has been carried out in various stages to give the neighbourhoods a new face life.
Boon Lay place used to be centre of night life in Jurong West. Infact, it used to be like a mini Malaysia; as alot of Malaysians working in Jurong/Tuas resides in either Taman Jurong or Boon Lay place. There used to be a cinema there. If I can recall correctly, the last movie that I watched there is True Lies. Fights were rather frequent during the weekends last time, sometimes even right infront of the police post. Actually I still prefer the old hawker centre at Boon Lay place, the new one just lacked the atomsphere.
Taman Jurong is kinda of secluded. Before the small neigbourhood Mac Donalds and KFCs sprang up in various parts of Jurong West, it's the only place you can have Mac Donalds and KFC in Jurong. There is a circa 70s bowling alley and a small pub. Before the Tang Dynasty closed down, there was NTUC club there where you can get super cheap beer.
So far the neighbourhood with the most amenities is the area around Lakeside MRT station where the Jurong West HDB area office is . There are several coffee shops,clinics, and a bank. The Lakeside MRT station is within walking distance.
Then there is the new extentsion.
The first neighbour in the extentsion, is St 91 area near NTU, City Harvest Church. The amenities there are fairly decent. But I must say taking the feeder service is a chore.
There is Gek Poh, fairly new, there is a minimart and minimall.
Most of the new residents in Jurong West are centred around the Pioneer area, near the 600 series blocks. Until the recent opening of the Giant supermarket and the mall, Jurong Point is the only place where you can get grocceries.
No lar, no intention to gang-up to dig at him, but we are a gang who love staying at JW. No matter what, past, present and future, we will never be able to remove the pollution unless SG is going to close down all the industries, but we will be in deep trouble by then, no employment, economy in critical, we will have difficulty with our finance. at least we should try look at the bright side since government is helping us to improve JW tremendously compare to other new estate (in action, not just say say). If JW is really very bad condition, then government will not let us stay here, our parent will not want to endanger their kids life staying here. Again compare to other country's industry that really release toxic gases, at least we are in peace that our government will never allow such things to happen to their own people. So living any part of SG is proud, coz at least we are being protected, although sometime we tax here and there lar, haha. Overall, its worth.
applescream
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Sigh....
I was just trying to create some humour in a thread full of tension..and also I just wanted to know what had caused Sillyporean to have such strong feelings re. JW. So I asked him rite....wanting to see if the rest of us can help him, to see things from another presepective if he tell us his problems. but he dun want to share, or rather he insisted nothing's wrg. But being KPO, i just couldn't help guessing what's wrg...sigh..so now i am a "murderer" and incoherent one at that..
I was just trying to create some humour in a thread full of tension..and also I just wanted to know what had caused Sillyporean to have such strong feelings re. JW. So I asked him rite....wanting to see if the rest of us can help him, to see things from another presepective if he tell us his problems. but he dun want to share, or rather he insisted nothing's wrg. But being KPO, i just couldn't help guessing what's wrg...sigh..so now i am a "murderer" and incoherent one at that..
key_word07
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Powder..umm..what i understand from Indoors's msg is he or she (i dunno) highlight out all the Cons of JW...instead of what you have mention..to weight it out and be objective.We also here to highlight all the Pro of JW bcos we are resident here and we know it better than anyone else...and to let in doors know that JW is not as bad as he had in mind...and we did not to gang up and dig at In door..tats for sure.
here's what i observed: on the whole, the pros and cons of JW seems quite balanced in the thread. All participants were happily posting the pros and cons, until the questioning of The Doors personal reason for starting the thread, this started all the not-so-nice remarks. i think its best not to question for personal reasons of participants, and just focus on commenting on the town itself.
sillyporean,
u really bring back some memories... somehow though i dun live in JW, i was a JW cheongster as much as i was an orchard kid... i like the Tang Dynasty/Yuan Ching area... in fact i played snooker/bowled there almost everyday... even worked in NTUC there for awhile before entering poly. shucks, even army i ended back in JW for a year cos of the ocs/safti mi period... definitely better than Nee Soon Camp man...
all in all, it's one of the most self-sufficient estates in spore, which i see as a major flaw for any estate. WHEN an estate becomes like a 'state' or 'country' by itself, i always feel that the 'citizens' are cut-off from the rest of the world. and tat's the main reason why i would not wanna stay in JW... i would have NO 'Excuse' to go to outside this mini-country... dun know if u get wat i mean. it's almost like what JB is to Malaysia... or KL to Malaysia... JW feels like a totally different State... a very self-sufficient state, u Dun Need to venture out of this state to have a life in S'pore. it's both good and bad, but psychologically for me, i can't handle it i guess... tat's why i'm one of those who will die without a car... like a fish without water. i need to have a big big big world....
i think i can summarize my feelings of JW in this way... to me it's almost a Getaway Town, within the confines of spore.. like a Corpus Christi. when i'm in JW, i feel more relaxed, Life naturally slows down and i breathe so much better... and u remember to smell the roses...
u really bring back some memories... somehow though i dun live in JW, i was a JW cheongster as much as i was an orchard kid... i like the Tang Dynasty/Yuan Ching area... in fact i played snooker/bowled there almost everyday... even worked in NTUC there for awhile before entering poly. shucks, even army i ended back in JW for a year cos of the ocs/safti mi period... definitely better than Nee Soon Camp man...
all in all, it's one of the most self-sufficient estates in spore, which i see as a major flaw for any estate. WHEN an estate becomes like a 'state' or 'country' by itself, i always feel that the 'citizens' are cut-off from the rest of the world. and tat's the main reason why i would not wanna stay in JW... i would have NO 'Excuse' to go to outside this mini-country... dun know if u get wat i mean. it's almost like what JB is to Malaysia... or KL to Malaysia... JW feels like a totally different State... a very self-sufficient state, u Dun Need to venture out of this state to have a life in S'pore. it's both good and bad, but psychologically for me, i can't handle it i guess... tat's why i'm one of those who will die without a car... like a fish without water. i need to have a big big big world....
i think i can summarize my feelings of JW in this way... to me it's almost a Getaway Town, within the confines of spore.. like a Corpus Christi. when i'm in JW, i feel more relaxed, Life naturally slows down and i breathe so much better... and u remember to smell the roses...
chocolatier
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I'll be moving to JW soon...next year...
Frankly speaking, Sg is such a small island compared to USA, so it doesnt matter which part of Sg you live in...unlike the different states in USA...
If you really want to compare, how about those flats near the city area (such as Tg Pagar) where the daily commuters and traffic is enuf to kill...combustion from cars, the heavily condensed bldgs...do you know that the temperature is higher in those areas?? At least in JW, we got green fields that separate us from the industrial areas...
Frankly speaking, Sg is such a small island compared to USA, so it doesnt matter which part of Sg you live in...unlike the different states in USA...
If you really want to compare, how about those flats near the city area (such as Tg Pagar) where the daily commuters and traffic is enuf to kill...combustion from cars, the heavily condensed bldgs...do you know that the temperature is higher in those areas?? At least in JW, we got green fields that separate us from the industrial areas...
Wow!! This is getting hottie here! Even Powder joins in the session. If u're staying near the good amenties, no doubt u'll sing praises of the place yer. I dare to say tat I know Jurong in general pretty well, for the fact tat i've been staying there for my entire life (25 years), from JE Central all the way to JW extension.
Sillyporeans have given quite fair details on different locations in Jurong. I believe most ppl in this thread are staying at the JP area or the New MRT station area. Fair, cos I feel the amenities and environment is quite ok. No doubt u're proud and satisfied residents cos perhaps u've yet to experience the inconvenience or down side.
I'm being subjective here. Personally i dislike JW (where my bro's place is), only reasons is the distance to town (as a result high cab fare) and the time wasted in taking feeder service. Air planes, I'm not at home during day time to witness that. Pollution, like i've mentioned, it is really not tat bad compared to other countries. Coco smell is another thing i couldn't stand when i exit the train at Boon Lay. So here's my personal cons in JW. Another thing, I feel JW (Boon Lay is super conjested), MRT is always filled in the morning. I think it's abit too densely populated.
A condemned housing? To some it is. We can't rule out tat fact. Howsoever, most participants in this thread don't feel so as. Tat's where the debate started. Like sillyporean had mentioned, he used the word "condemn" to draw attention. True enuff attention is drawn and well received.
Many have said, if those people like to label JW as a condemn estate, then jus let them be. Take it in an amicable manner n dun get too upset over such comment. Well, these people may not hav experienced the wonderful convenience and amenities that you people hav experienced in JW. So jus pardon their ignorance lor.
Sillyporeans have given quite fair details on different locations in Jurong. I believe most ppl in this thread are staying at the JP area or the New MRT station area. Fair, cos I feel the amenities and environment is quite ok. No doubt u're proud and satisfied residents cos perhaps u've yet to experience the inconvenience or down side.
I'm being subjective here. Personally i dislike JW (where my bro's place is), only reasons is the distance to town (as a result high cab fare) and the time wasted in taking feeder service. Air planes, I'm not at home during day time to witness that. Pollution, like i've mentioned, it is really not tat bad compared to other countries. Coco smell is another thing i couldn't stand when i exit the train at Boon Lay. So here's my personal cons in JW. Another thing, I feel JW (Boon Lay is super conjested), MRT is always filled in the morning. I think it's abit too densely populated.
A condemned housing? To some it is. We can't rule out tat fact. Howsoever, most participants in this thread don't feel so as. Tat's where the debate started. Like sillyporean had mentioned, he used the word "condemn" to draw attention. True enuff attention is drawn and well received.
Many have said, if those people like to label JW as a condemn estate, then jus let them be. Take it in an amicable manner n dun get too upset over such comment. Well, these people may not hav experienced the wonderful convenience and amenities that you people hav experienced in JW. So jus pardon their ignorance lor.
JW has its gd & bad la. good is it is super self sufficient and housing is cheap (& may i say, residents there r prob cash rich). the down side, like wat powder wrote, when a place becomes so self sufficient like JW, we get lazy sometimes - to go elsewhere and be in tune with the hype there.My hb always says JP got everything, no need go out of jurong on weekends. Most time my reason wld be, lets just go to city and and be in tune with all the latest happening! be it food, theatres, or whatever. or just go east coast and cycle.
on another note, distance between towns in Sg is definitely no-fight with pl like US la. in those places, u have to drive way out to just buy groceries. in london, the train takes at least an hour to reach the airport from central. but since we are on the JW topic we'll just post comments for fun lo.
on another note, distance between towns in Sg is definitely no-fight with pl like US la. in those places, u have to drive way out to just buy groceries. in london, the train takes at least an hour to reach the airport from central. but since we are on the JW topic we'll just post comments for fun lo.
To simplify it, if people love JW, just purchase a unit and stay. Those who don't like, isn't it as simple as moving out and finding the best location they can find in singapore? Aiyo, why make it so complicated with all these going on. Shall we start one thread 'Geylang: Condemned Housing Estate' and discuss how the dirty old man ogle at woman, and who know one of the female being target might be us or our own daughter (this is an example, no offence to those who stay there coz i have no such intention at all)... Not necessary right?? Be content lar, life is short... i guess most people staying there right now aware of the problems all of u mention, but on the other hand, we do look at the good things. But what about those who strongly feel the -ve side but doesn't care abt the +ve side?
sillyporean
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jhoo,
You can start that thread if you want...
You can start that thread if you want...
victoria_ching088
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To be subjective here TOO..i am staying in jurong over a decades too. Since 3-4yrs old till now 26yrs old. From Boon Lay place --Jurong west St 65. I dun experience inconvienence or down side as you mention.Travelling to town is no prob as there are so many highways connected to town.Not to mention the public transport such as MRT & Buses too.How do we classified conv level?Is it that if i work in Tanjong Pagar..i have to buy a flat in TP to be conv?Or I must stay in Town?I am working in Tanjong pager and i find it ok to travel,just being home abit late than others who stay in the town.I used to study in Yio Chu Kang -- NYP and get to travel everyday thru and for from school via MRT.I study in SMU part time now and i dun find it a prob to travel there too.What is actually the problem?I am not disconnected with the rest of singapore just because i stayed in Jurong west instead i can get to explore to many many other areas too.I think the so call inconv & downside ppl mention are due to their own mentality. For the coco smell, i do get the smell it once a while..again..i dun see it as a problem, its not harmful anyway.
as i WROTE, i have no intention at all..quite a stupid thing to do lar and very bo liao too. It proven that people tend to read selectively, and only the portion they want it to be but really dun really understand what has been written here clearly..haiz, sad...
my current workplace also inconvenience, and my Asst mgr said, there are alot of people that are lazy, how inconvenience singapore can be. Victoria, i agree with you.
my current workplace also inconvenience, and my Asst mgr said, there are alot of people that are lazy, how inconvenience singapore can be. Victoria, i agree with you.
As i said, mouth is urs, we can't control and it doesn't bother me at all now too. Friends i know still say that in front of me, so what? One ear in, one ear out lor, as long as im happy with my choice of getting flat there, its enough. Other people's business, not my business lar
victoria_ching088
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sometimes feel very sorry for people like us who choose to stay in a new establish estated or so call off the town estates.People often past bad remarks abt these places.Some of my friends staying in Pungol,sengkang and sembanwang also KANA the same comments like ULU PLACE..inconv... ..pls lor...maybe to some people feel that is jus a casual remarks..but it make no sense to me on these remarks. Just open the eye big big and see..how big singapore ONLY?!Taking shuttle service dun KILL you.How troublesome & time consuming it can be?Then how abt those who walking a long distant to MRT or bus stop like some friend tat i know staying the landed property in Toh Tuck?Talking abt pollution..pls lar..how polluted can singapore be?As if the concentration of the acid rain dissolve our skin and the cocoa smell is that suffocating!!Just my 2 cents worth..
Victoria, hav u spent 15min waiting for a feeder bus? Or hav u spent 30min waiting for bus 99, then 3 come in a row. Perhaps u've encountere tat before and ok with tat, but I find it real annoying. Then u spend another 45-1hrs bus journey to Clementi interchange, to change to another bus ride of 15-20min to NUS? I need abt 1hr 30 min jus to get to NUS, which is actually a 15min drive by car. To and fro, tat's 3 hrs. Perhaps it is average to spend 3 hrs everyday on travelling. I worked in Raffles Place previously, I need one hr to get to office. Feeder bus + waiting time, 15-25min. Train, yes it's the best ever and fastest form of transport in the morning - 35min. Pardon me as I'm really tat fussy sucker on travelling time.
Coco smell, I love chocolate, somehow i detest the smell of coco no doubt its not harmful.
Haha i am a double edged sword here. If I can get a unit at JW near to JP MRT, I think i will b like one of u, the satisfied residents. No joke cos the flat is cheap and yes, convenient to train. Jhoo u're rite, sg ppl are getting lazy and i'm jus one of them kekekek...if need me to change to like take bus-train-bus, I'll frown n KBKB!
Coco smell, I love chocolate, somehow i detest the smell of coco no doubt its not harmful.
Haha i am a double edged sword here. If I can get a unit at JW near to JP MRT, I think i will b like one of u, the satisfied residents. No joke cos the flat is cheap and yes, convenient to train. Jhoo u're rite, sg ppl are getting lazy and i'm jus one of them kekekek...if need me to change to like take bus-train-bus, I'll frown n KBKB!
ok, back from my shopping trip...
hmm, i dun think the objective of getting Pros and Cons can be reached so simply, i guess it's natural we all have feelings abt the place we live in... but we are far from being objective. it's either near or far, transport is avail but it's also the Wait tat's important not to be omitted.
like i said, it's all feelings feelings feelings... instead of Pro and Cons for us to weigh, we simply tell pple 'dun like dun buy'... to think we are probably the SAME pple who complain about Sales Assistants who give us such treatment. Is it really so difficult to be objective and share wat we like, and wat we dun like about an estate? If u feel u've got the perfect estate - Great! celebrate and share it... no need to add those extra toppings of snide remarks...
i mean, i like JW for the certain stuff tat cannot be found elsewhere, i dun like it for other stuff... or i like geylang becos of the wonderful selection of good food, but i dun like it for the 'messy' kind of environment along some stretches blah blah... So difficult to talk like tat meh?
A: oh geylang is great! so near town! great food! actually only 5mins away from east coast!
B: i dun really feel comfortable with the proximity of red light district and the idea of night walkers around my estate.
A: what prostitutes? wat red light? u dun like dun stay here lah... everywhere also got red light district mah... Amsterdam also have. Got other pple worse ok? Desker road tat side got thos very old type, changi tat side got Ah Gua... aiyah got roof over your head can liao, think so much for wat? dun stay here lor...
it's all feelings. actually if we read thru sillyporean's post, he doesn't really mention tat he Dislikes JW, at least not as badly as wat's being implied here...
hmm, i dun think the objective of getting Pros and Cons can be reached so simply, i guess it's natural we all have feelings abt the place we live in... but we are far from being objective. it's either near or far, transport is avail but it's also the Wait tat's important not to be omitted.
like i said, it's all feelings feelings feelings... instead of Pro and Cons for us to weigh, we simply tell pple 'dun like dun buy'... to think we are probably the SAME pple who complain about Sales Assistants who give us such treatment. Is it really so difficult to be objective and share wat we like, and wat we dun like about an estate? If u feel u've got the perfect estate - Great! celebrate and share it... no need to add those extra toppings of snide remarks...
i mean, i like JW for the certain stuff tat cannot be found elsewhere, i dun like it for other stuff... or i like geylang becos of the wonderful selection of good food, but i dun like it for the 'messy' kind of environment along some stretches blah blah... So difficult to talk like tat meh?
A: oh geylang is great! so near town! great food! actually only 5mins away from east coast!
B: i dun really feel comfortable with the proximity of red light district and the idea of night walkers around my estate.
A: what prostitutes? wat red light? u dun like dun stay here lah... everywhere also got red light district mah... Amsterdam also have. Got other pple worse ok? Desker road tat side got thos very old type, changi tat side got Ah Gua... aiyah got roof over your head can liao, think so much for wat? dun stay here lor...
it's all feelings. actually if we read thru sillyporean's post, he doesn't really mention tat he Dislikes JW, at least not as badly as wat's being implied here...
victoria_ching088
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Hi tansy..i do experience what you experience before but seriously to me i dun find it really that bad or a chore.When i used to stayed in boon lay place..I have to take bus 240 to boon lay interchange change to MRT to go school too...I do take bus 99 to jurong east or clementi as well and encounter 3 bus 198 & 99 come in a row.But i bet this has nothing to do with staying in JW but is due to the system of SMRT and SBS transit Services which they CLAIM they are going to improve ON!!Maybe we shld question why our fare keep increasing but the standart of service did not?? Anyway..i believe people staying in other parts of singapore will faced these problems as well.I working in Tanjong pagar now and i either walk to the MRT station or take feeder service from my current flat at st65 to and for from work now and i also find it ok too.If you r staying in Tampines..you will faced to same problem too on the transit so it's not just JW problem.Then another point to ponder is you also won't be studying in NUS forever nor you r going to work in the same co.at raffles place for all of your life right?Life changes from time to time..and does it means that we have to move from one place to another from time to time as well. How many of us can afford doing that?Most important is to find a place that can afford and have the basic neccessary needs.And all estates you cannot expect to find a bus interchange just around one junction or a MRT station across one avenue right?
What powder say is right by indicating that it is different ppl have different expectation and view on things.Tere are endless things ppl can comments abt a place.After all we all stay in the same country...we are all singaporean. Persinally i always kana mean people giving mean comments of JW like mad so i just voicing out my thoughts and definately not to pin pointing at any body here.
What powder say is right by indicating that it is different ppl have different expectation and view on things.Tere are endless things ppl can comments abt a place.After all we all stay in the same country...we are all singaporean. Persinally i always kana mean people giving mean comments of JW like mad so i just voicing out my thoughts and definately not to pin pointing at any body here.
my 'mean' comments normally for sengkang and punggol, almost bought sengkang but when driving there to see which area to take... the CTE helped change my mind. so i decided from then tat any estate via CTE is not my cup of tea... i dun need the frustrations driving in the morning, nor in the evening... and Worse - Pay ERP for it. keke... but hehe - i fell for a Yishun girl, then fell for and married a Punggol girl...
the other mean comments i have are for CCK & Bukit Batok, but when i searched myself honestly, i find it's becos i am totally not accustomed to the roads there and thus get Lost driving in circles... being a guy i will stubbornly drive until i find my way out, haha. anyway some estates experience bottlenecks during peak hours, in fact most do... this makes the experience abit tiring sometimes... but i guess it's part and parcel of spore living.
one thing i'm confused... nobody likes the cocoa smell? i like it very much actually... i just never smelt it around JW...
the other mean comments i have are for CCK & Bukit Batok, but when i searched myself honestly, i find it's becos i am totally not accustomed to the roads there and thus get Lost driving in circles... being a guy i will stubbornly drive until i find my way out, haha. anyway some estates experience bottlenecks during peak hours, in fact most do... this makes the experience abit tiring sometimes... but i guess it's part and parcel of spore living.
one thing i'm confused... nobody likes the cocoa smell? i like it very much actually... i just never smelt it around JW...
rubberducky
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Why take a simple discussion of pros and cons so seriously? *scratch head* Whether or not each individual likes any given location is very SUBJECTIVE yah?
As they say, Opinions are like arse-holes: Everybody's got one. Heheh.
As they say, Opinions are like arse-holes: Everybody's got one. Heheh.
Victoria, if Commonwealth (opp MRT) is going for only 200k while JW extn (where u need feeder) is going for 200k too, which one would u choose?
Two reasons i'll choose JW is it's low price honestly and it's near to both our parents' house (JW and Boon Lay place).
If u're comfortable w 3hrs of travelling time a day, tat's good. Perhaps not for me, tat's why I opt to stay in hostel after 2 semesters. And like u, I do kena harsh comments fr frens n colleagues like where i'm staying is so far n out of the way. Hence i can totally understand how u feel. Initially i was defensive n start telling them how good n blah blah, but after sometime, i reviewed, i'm pissed with the travelling time.
But JW seriously is not the worst place out there. Sembawang is the furthest in terms of distance and taking cab is more ex than to JW. And train journey to Raffles place is 40-45min. Their Sun Plaza is also not as complete and wide-spread like JP.
Two reasons i'll choose JW is it's low price honestly and it's near to both our parents' house (JW and Boon Lay place).
If u're comfortable w 3hrs of travelling time a day, tat's good. Perhaps not for me, tat's why I opt to stay in hostel after 2 semesters. And like u, I do kena harsh comments fr frens n colleagues like where i'm staying is so far n out of the way. Hence i can totally understand how u feel. Initially i was defensive n start telling them how good n blah blah, but after sometime, i reviewed, i'm pissed with the travelling time.
But JW seriously is not the worst place out there. Sembawang is the furthest in terms of distance and taking cab is more ex than to JW. And train journey to Raffles place is 40-45min. Their Sun Plaza is also not as complete and wide-spread like JP.
rubberducky
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Tansy, I'm another lazy-bugger like you. 
Can never tahan waiting for public transport, which is why I always blow a large chunk of my pay on cabs. When I lived in Jurong, my transport costs were always astronomical! Now I live in a central area and still can't get over the huge difference in my transport costs. 
Less than $5 by cab, or a 15min bus ride to Orchard!
Because we're located so centrally, getting to various parts of Singapore is also less of a hassle. For instance: Fiance works in the west, I work in central, we go to fiance's parent's place in east once a week and we go to West Coast Park quite often too. From where we are, no place is unbearably far.
And cab fare is usually under $10.
The downside of my current arrangement is that I'll be moving to Buangkok soon.
Very sad at the thought actually. Of course, like every other S'porean, housing cost is a huge concern, so no choice lor; Buangkok is affordable and more or less meets our requirements.
But still very very sad whenever I think of having to move.
BTW powder, I do kinda like the cocoa scent always prevalent near the Boon Lay area.
Always makes me feel like a serving of Brownie with ice-cream!
Can never tahan waiting for public transport, which is why I always blow a large chunk of my pay on cabs. When I lived in Jurong, my transport costs were always astronomical! Now I live in a central area and still can't get over the huge difference in my transport costs. Less than $5 by cab, or a 15min bus ride to Orchard! Because we're located so centrally, getting to various parts of Singapore is also less of a hassle. For instance: Fiance works in the west, I work in central, we go to fiance's parent's place in east once a week and we go to West Coast Park quite often too. From where we are, no place is unbearably far.
The downside of my current arrangement is that I'll be moving to Buangkok soon.
BTW powder, I do kinda like the cocoa scent always prevalent near the Boon Lay area.
Rubberducky, but i do like taking train cos the timing are more or less there and u wun encounter long waiting time or traffic jam as much as buses. So if i could get any flat near to the train station, i'm quite contented. But no SengKang or Punggol...I would rather choose JW in this case keke! For the fact tat i'm too a westerner and grew up there.
But after saying for so many years, its still the same old kinds like pollution etc.
Its also not that we can't accept all the cons but what can we do with it? We have to accept since we decided to stay here and at the same time we learn to appreciate what has been done to compensate us just like govt build extension MRT at JW which benefits some of us staying at st 61, st 91 etc.
Yah, i don't like the smell but i don't smell it at my estate.
And of coz, i have no bad opinions abt other estates. Even when i mention geylang, yes, i like the food esp lorong 9 tian ji zhou, and one of the seafood restaurants. The food there is hard to resist.
Its also not that we can't accept all the cons but what can we do with it? We have to accept since we decided to stay here and at the same time we learn to appreciate what has been done to compensate us just like govt build extension MRT at JW which benefits some of us staying at st 61, st 91 etc.
Yah, i don't like the smell but i don't smell it at my estate.
And of coz, i have no bad opinions abt other estates. Even when i mention geylang, yes, i like the food esp lorong 9 tian ji zhou, and one of the seafood restaurants. The food there is hard to resist.
key_word07
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Hey folks..just wonder if you guys really take 3hrs to travel here and there arh?For me i dun lei maybe depend on where you go lor..if the place tat you go do not have direct bus or MRT station then maybe lor.Maybe we more fortunate as for our case as we own car. But the hor even i think travel to orchard via MRT dun think it take 1hr30mins lar...take 45mins-50mins at most?Correct me if i am wrong? I also a fan of MRT..hate bus lar..cos the Jam and things like tat.Very hard to control timing.
victoria_ching088
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Tansy..i can't answer you the question as for choosing a flat need alot of factors and also i will put consideration on the nearby amentites. If the commonwealth flat you mention cost 200K and is also as conv as what my current JW flat bring me. I dun mind to give it a consideration.Same as you..i choose jurong west because of its so affordable pricing and we are able to repay the loan in another 10yrs time.
Twinkle Star, yes i spent 1.5hrs to travel to school if i take buses all the way. Else bus train bus will b 1hr. To orchard, I'm thankful tat Express 502 route has been extended to my place and i can jus take tat bus for 1hr 15min. Else by train is 45-50min, plus feeder service of 15-20min. Heh...so adds up almost 1+hr.
I'm thinking to myself, how come ppl condemn abt JW? Could it be tat hdb priced it so low tat it actually give an impression of high supply low demand scenario? How come the new estate in sembawang is not priced tis low like 150k? Personally i feel Sembawang requires even more travelling time, say if ur place needs a feeder too.
Or could it b there isn't recreation place like pasir ris park or east coast park, tat actually draw popularity to the estate. West side is like so unpopular as compared to the east. Perhaps if there is a nice beach (not west coast, after the refurbishment, it is still like DUH...except for the 24hrs Mac) with resorts n chalets, theme park and other recreational site, JW will see a new uplift and image totally. It'll no longer b seen as an untouched land or polluted industrial town. Then perhaps such stereotype will b eliminated.
I'm thinking to myself, how come ppl condemn abt JW? Could it be tat hdb priced it so low tat it actually give an impression of high supply low demand scenario? How come the new estate in sembawang is not priced tis low like 150k? Personally i feel Sembawang requires even more travelling time, say if ur place needs a feeder too.
Or could it b there isn't recreation place like pasir ris park or east coast park, tat actually draw popularity to the estate. West side is like so unpopular as compared to the east. Perhaps if there is a nice beach (not west coast, after the refurbishment, it is still like DUH...except for the 24hrs Mac) with resorts n chalets, theme park and other recreational site, JW will see a new uplift and image totally. It'll no longer b seen as an untouched land or polluted industrial town. Then perhaps such stereotype will b eliminated.
being in Jurong, just jurong alone is a big plc. with many industrial companies and petroluem companies and surround with pollution. Many complain n complain.
actually, we should be glad that we are away from sengkang, puggol and pasir ris. cos the polluntion from the Semi-condutor Wafer fabs are far worse than those in the west. those waste from the fabs are harmful and so are the radio actives.
as for transport, many plc in singapore still need to take feeder bus, and almost the same time taken from Boonlay to any corner of JW.
I was once staying in Taman Jurong before shifting to CCK (next to mrt) then to Jurong west. Getting home from town, it like taking ages, as there is no direct bus or train to Taman Jurong. I never regretted staying tt area, as its away frm the bz town and good fair of peaceful time. Staying in TMJ for 14yrs, and loves the food that area has for the ppl ard. Now residing in JW, i love the Pioneer Mall, even i have to drive there to get my grocery. the only thing i dunno where the 24 hours coffeeshop located.
is JW that really inconvenient? there are still many plcs that we dun get to stay will too share the similar problems, just that we are nt aware of.
if this plc is really so bad, there wont be many ppl rushing to see Centris next to Jurong pt and wont be pp to WIS for JW's flats too.
actually, we should be glad that we are away from sengkang, puggol and pasir ris. cos the polluntion from the Semi-condutor Wafer fabs are far worse than those in the west. those waste from the fabs are harmful and so are the radio actives.
as for transport, many plc in singapore still need to take feeder bus, and almost the same time taken from Boonlay to any corner of JW.
I was once staying in Taman Jurong before shifting to CCK (next to mrt) then to Jurong west. Getting home from town, it like taking ages, as there is no direct bus or train to Taman Jurong. I never regretted staying tt area, as its away frm the bz town and good fair of peaceful time. Staying in TMJ for 14yrs, and loves the food that area has for the ppl ard. Now residing in JW, i love the Pioneer Mall, even i have to drive there to get my grocery. the only thing i dunno where the 24 hours coffeeshop located.
is JW that really inconvenient? there are still many plcs that we dun get to stay will too share the similar problems, just that we are nt aware of.
if this plc is really so bad, there wont be many ppl rushing to see Centris next to Jurong pt and wont be pp to WIS for JW's flats too.