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Hi Ete,

If you are driving around France, you can either use Michelin or IGN maps. I personally use the latter, and I usually just buy them in France itself because it is (obviously) cheaper than buying them here.

http://maps.google.com does the trick pretty well too. Nowadays it is also quite easy to load detailed maps into phones.
 


Saw this on the web regarding Paris. How true.

"I have always felt that Paris has been unfairly maligned. Yes it can be expensive, and very crowded in summer, and the waiters tend to be rude, but with a little ingenuity and a willingness to stay off the beaten path, it is still one of the most exciting places in the world."
 
Hi,

I am in the midst of planning for my honeymoon in France and Switzerland, leaving next month. I am trying to but rail tickets from the scnf website but the entire website is in French. The tickets on raileurope is more ex than those on scnf for the same trip. I am really tempted to buy the tickets from the French scnf website as through some guesswork I think I can manage to complete the transaction. I am just worried that there is some fine print and disclaimer that I don't understand. I have tried the tgv-europe website but once I selected that I will be leaving from France, I will be redirected to the French website. Anyone here had the same experience before?
 
Hi alhp,

I have bought tickets from http://www.voyages-sncf.com/ using the French version without any problems. It is the cheapest site to buy the tickets; you just choose "France" as the country and you print out your own tickets. I can help you to translate anything that you need.

I just check it out, and tickets for two persons, 1 way, on 2nd class, from Paris to Geneve on 12 Nov are as cheap as EUR 155.60, that means EUR 77.80 per person. I believe that's cheaper than raileurope?
 
Just checked out further: If you travel on 10 Dec, the tickets are as cheap as EUR 50 for two persons, or EUR 25 per person! Check around the various dates.

Of course you cannot cancel your ticket; even if you don't show up, they will have charged you.
 
Hi alhp,

Here is the proof of the cheap ticket from Paris to Geneve.

First, look at my screen capture:

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On the left frame, you can see "Votre Voyage" (your trip) from Paris to Geneve Gare ("Gare" = Station). Bellow that, "Aller Simple" = One-way trip, and "Aller Retour" means return trip.

"2e classe" is 2nd class.

"Aller le Jeudi 10/12 entre 12h54 et 14h54" means going on Thursday 10 Dec between 12:54 and 14:54h.

You can see that there is a train at 13:10 that costs only EUR 25 per person. The trip duration is 3 hours 25 mins and it's by TGV Lyria.

The buttons "trains precedents" and "trains suivants" allow you to see previous and next trains at earlier and later times.

Hope that helps you to get started.
 
Hi alhp,

Here are the search options. I presume that after going to http://www.voyages-sncf.com you would have clicked on the "Train" tab at the top of the page.

On the left frame, you see the search options. Here is the screen capture.

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"Depart": Depart from (Paris)
"Arivee": Arrive at (Geneve)

"Trajet Direct Uniquement": If you check this box, it will search for direct trains only; that means there is no need to change trains. This is best for maximum convenience, but it is not necessarily the cheapest. It does help to narrow down the search results though.

"Nombre de passengers" means number of passengers. Note that if you put 2 or more, the price shown later when showing the lists of trains is the total price for ALL the passengers that is travelling. So if one ticket costs EUR 25, you will see that the price is EUR 50. Don't be confused; it's not EUR 50 per person.

Note that if you are under 26 years old, change the drop down box from "26-59 ans" to "12-25 ans". This means you get cheaper tickets!

1st class is only slightly better (in terms of comfort) than 2nd class. It is only slightly wider and having slightly more legroom, while usually being quite a bit more expensive; though if you are lucky, occasionally the cheapest first class ticket is cheaper than the cheapest second class ticket. The main difference in first class is that it is usually less crowded, has more space for luggage, and is thus usually quieter. But for all practical purposes, usually second class will suffice.

Once you have chosen your ticket, say that your country is "France", and after paying via credit card, you will need to enter your full name and date of birth as in your passport. Then you will have the option to download the ticket(s) as a PDF file. Keep this PDF file, print out the ticket, and bring the printout along, together with your passport. That is all you need.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you have further questions.
 
Further instructions.

Say you want to buy 2 tickets for Paris to Geneve, 2nd class, on 9 Dec at 11:10am:

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Scrolling down, you choose the train at 11:10am and select the EUR 25 ticket (for 2 persons it will cost EUR 50 in total):

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Then, take note of the "Choisir Ma Place" button which comes up. This allows you to choose the place you want to sit. Click on it, and it will bring up:

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Under "votre place" (your place), choose "Duo cote a cote". This means you want two seats next to each other.

Then click on "Valider cet aller". This brings you to:

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Here you can see that you have been given Voiture 5 - Place 24 and 23 (Carriage 5, seats 24 and 23). "Couloir" means corridor seat, and "Fenetre" means window seat. There are also two choices for insurance (assurance) but I don't think you need it.

Click on "valider votre reservation" to bring up:

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This gives you three options on how you want to collect your ticket. I don't think there is any option to print out your ticket or download as PDF (I may be wrong because I didn't continue the process). The three options are:

"Borne Libre Service": Collect your ticket at a self-service kiosk just before boarding your train. I won't recommend it because your credit card many not work at this machine.

"Envoir gratuit par courrier": Have the ticket delivered to your house for free. This is not applicable because it only applies to address in France.

"Gare ou boutique": this is the one you should choose; it allows you to collect your ticket at the train station ticket booth before boarding. You just need to present the final printout and your credit card used for booking.

Scroll down and you need to fill in your details; if you have questions about the rest of the process, post them here with screenshots if possible.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Raymond,

Thank you for the advice! I'm glad that someone has bought the tickets using the French scnf website. I have spent countless nights comparing the prices on both websites and realised that there is indeed a substantial amount of savings that can be made if I purchase on the scnf website, considering the multiple trips that we will be making. Now I think I am more confident of purchasing the tix off the French website. I even went to the extent of using the online French-English dictionary to check up the individual words, I should say that has been a bitter-sweet experience, frustrating and fulfilling at the same time!
 
Hi alhp,

I've travelled many times on the TGV trains within France, and I've always used the SNCF website for my tickets. I've gotten tickets as cheap as EUR 25 per person from Nice to Lyon (2nd class), and EUR 24 per person from Lyon to Paris (1st class)! So if you need any more assistance, just post here.
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BTW are you below 26 years old?
 
If you're below 26 years old, you can get (much) cheaper tickets.

BTW, I noticed the cheap tickets are going quite fast, so you're well advised to book very soon if you want to take advantage of the lower prices.
 
Hi Raymond,

Sad to say, I am above 26 years old. The screenshots are really useful. Thank you so much for going through all the trouble! Some tickets allow you to print out the tix off the web, I think it has the words "imprime" or something, remembered seeing it last night. But for some for the trips, that option did not appear. EUR 25 from Nice to Lyon is a steal! I checked on raileurope before for trips from Paris to Nice, it is about SGD150 per person!
 
Hi alhp,

I'm glad it was useful. Maybe when I have time I will compile my tips and put it on my website. The trick to getting cheap train tickets is to book as early as possible. The cheap tickets go fast!

Yes, if the train travel is entirely within France, then you can print out your tickets. We've done it many times already without any problems. It's nice to arrive in Paris knowing your seat on the train is confirmed. I'd suggest to leave some buffer time between your flight arrival and train departure just in case your flight is delayed, etc.

I think EUR 25 from Paris to Geneve is a steal too.
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Most people end up paying tonnes of money for the EuroRail pass or equivalent.
 
Hi Raymond,

The one on buying train tickets will be really useful for me, it will save me hours of checking up the dictionary for the French-English translation. Should probably be buying the tix tomorrow night, will be cross-referencing your guide as I am buying the tix off the sncf website.
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Hi alhp,

The cheap TGV tickets are only on the TGV lines. If you are travelling from Annecy to Chamonix, I doubt you can get cheap tickets through the website. Cheap tickets may just not exist.
 
Hi alhp,

The train tickets from Annecy to Chamonix cost EUR 20 per person. Not sure if there is a bus that goes direct. It may be cheaper.
 
H Raymond,

Yep, there are very few connections between Annecy and Chamonix. I will figure out how to get to Chamonix from St Gervais. There are many connections between Annecy and St Gervais which is like the main station nearest to Chamonix.
 

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