Beware of Fake Photographer

Hi sharon,
Well...so far he is puntual for my ROM too. He did reply my sms too when i sms him...the most he took 1 day to reply.

Hi ladies,
Actually i did sms him if he is Chris...but he did not reply. I ask him all other things, he did sms me back. I discuss with my hubb, me and my hubb share the same sentiments that as long as our photos are good, we dun care he is Chris Soh or Chris Tan or Chris Lim...we are juz being fair by judging his skills than the rumour. Anyway true enough, i din noe tis rumour b4 i engaged him...im quite shocked to see that too...maybe u guys can say 'Aiyah engaged liaoz...say wat also no use but to comfort ourselves by saying that...' well no lor...if my ROM pics turn out to be good, we will still use him cos his package is affordable as compared to others 'branded' photography.
I guess me and Sharon had enough say...regarding whether is the rumour true or not...those who are interested can pursue further...anyway if you guys dun patronise him, me and sharon got no loss too...so..everyone relax ok?
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Dun get things so heated up...we are juz sharing our point of view.
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Hi Gin

Oh, I don't mean that you and Sharon are "defending" Chris
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Yar, we are all just sharing our views
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? If he is using his own works now (I really hope that he has learnt his lesson), and as long as you really like his style, it is really not outsiders like me's right to comment
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Sure, it is not worth getting heated up over Chris as I have nothing to lose since I did not engage him and you have nothing to gain from defending him
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I hope your ROM pics turns out great nevertheless
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My earlier posting was just my personal thots on the matter and for this reason, I would not recommend any of my frens to Ka heng. I just hope that other BTO are aware of this person's identity and make an informed choice when they signed up with him.
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Hi tougei,
Guess he is going to lose alot of business like that...why not you let your friends judge by themselves on the pics he took?
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Anyway thanks for sharing...
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Hi Gin & Sharon,

i've oso engaged KH's service.
Can share with me the pics he took for u both ROM?
Thanks a lot.. you can PM me..
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Hi all,

We would like to reiterate that we strongly discourage the practice of sending unsolicited e-mails by service providers who harvest the e-mail addresses of the wedding couples in the forum. There are proper ways of advertising in SingaporeBrides.com or any media.

We have also received feedback from our users about service providers who use the PM (private message) function to send unsolicited messages to promote their services. It was due to these incidents whereby users' PM function had been disabled by default to protect our users.

As there are operating costs involved in running SingaporeBrides.com and advertising revenue is required to cover the operating costs, we would hope that the practice of harvesting e-mail addresses of our members is not supported and condoned.

As such, we would also discourage the discussion of services who have abused and breached the "Terms of Use" of the forum.

We appreciate everyone's support in this. Thank you.

Regards,
Chin Leng.
 
Actually CL ah...
since you discourage the discussion of such person, how come when the msg posted in Aug 04, you did not remove it? Im curious. I believe as an experienced moderator like you, should know the discussion would lead to the above?
Well...we at least registered ourselves during the same period...
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Hi Gin,

By not removing the thread, we hope that it would benefit wedding couples by allowing couples to be aware of such incidents. We were also under the impression that Chris Soh was not offering photography services as he was no longer contactable as feedback by wedding couples.

My posting above was to highlight that we strongly discourage the practice of harvesting e-mail addresses from the forum and sending unsolicited e-mails by service providers.

Regards,
Chin Leng.
 
Hi tougei (very last postings on tis..else CL gonna ban me too..heehe)

I guess he cant post here or clear his name here cos he is being banned already wor...FYI...

CL, no more liaoz..i stop... :P
 
Hi CL,
Thanks for your reply. For your info..he is not the only one as I received numorous emails too... nonetheless, my last postings here...

p.s I think in the beginning please clarify the purpose of such post...so that when those who wish to reply to the post know what to say and what not to...you make me feel abit upset as it sounds like we are 'abusing' ur rules and regulations here....thanks..
 
Hi Gin,

Please don't misunderstand. Your account won't be banned as you are a genuine bride discussing about wedding preparations. An account is usually banned because it was created mainly to promote its own services.

I would also like to clarify and strongly highlight that if KH wants to make a posting here, he can simply register an account to post a message. Alternatively, KH can also send me an e-mail and request it to be posted in the forum on his behalf.

You may also like to know that we can only take appropriate actions on service providers who sent unsolicited e-mails if couples feedback to us. It is not possible for us to take actions against service providers who sent unsolicited e-mails if we are unaware of their actions. For obvious reasons, I'm not in their mailing list.
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Please be assured that my message's intention was only to clarify our position and views on such practices. It was never meant to target any of our users as the breached of the "Terms of Use" is by the service providers. We are very sorry for the misunderstanding as it was never intended to upset your or any of our users. Again, I would like to apologise if I had upset any of the users inadvertently.

* bow *

Regards,
Chin Leng.
 
Hi Gin, hehe... yar I think I'm already on CL's black list liao
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. To be honest, I am not really "heated up" by this matter lar. I was very put off by Chris S0h's dishonesty when the matter first came up in Jul 04 and so was somewhat pissed because I almost signed up with KH. I won't stop my friends from engaging KH if they wish lar. At most I just inform them of the issue and let them decide for themselves. Hope to see you around in other threads
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Hi ChinLeng, I understand SBO's stand on such self-advertisers. It's like those pirated CD sellers *grin* Are you going to delete this thread too? Isn't it good to leave it so that others can read it and be informed?
 
Hi Tougei,

Not to worry, you are not in our black list and we would like to clarify that we do not have such list.
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We don't have the intention of deleting this thread at the moment as we would like to allow an opportunity for KH to respond if he chooses to do so.

Regards,
Chin Leng.
 
Hi CL,
Haahahhaa...ok note taken. Me been preparing wedding since year 2001..hahahha... :P Im one of the super old bird user i guess. :P And im the onli one who plan wedding for 4 years? hahahhaa...

Hi tougei,
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Nah..i will be around in other threads wan..unless CL ban me lor..hahahha.... :P He wont la..anyway been ard here since year 2001 lor...and my postings hitting 2k liaoz..hahahha..
 
Gin,
alamak! u been preparing wedding since i was studying in uni! and then i ROM b4 u somemore! haha! so whens ur AD? u booked venue liao? me sourcing for venue now leh..
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Hi Sharon,
No la..when in the year 2001, I was with my ex...we broke off last year...he make me wait for 3 years...so...
Anyway he is not the one i married..so in the year 2003, i stop coming here for awhile too...then now im back... :P
My AD 11th sept 05. Juz managed to get Qian Xi at the auspicious date...and with both parents consent...sigh..wanted Marriott luncheon though, but mummy dun like...keeps grumbling...so sianz...anyway when's ur AD? What is ur budget per table? Hotel or Restaurant? I can help...
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Gin,
oic... we dun tok about the past liao, we mus look ahead, ok?
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i planning my AD on 12Nov2005 or 7Jan2006. shortlisted hilton and pan pac. as i only got 28-30tables & its on a sat, i can only take the smaller ballroom (not the grand ballroom)... i blocked dates liao but haven't confirm... still deciding..
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hey! ur date is a very very popular date!! 8th day of lunar 8th mth! i know coz i done my research ok! hehe..
 
keke.. u gals so funny..
chatting in the thread of "beware of fake photographer"..
heehee.. shd be beware of Brides-to-be.. sometimes easily go haywired while preparing wedding stuffs.. haha.. opps.. =P
 
Hi sharon,
Hee...yeah...luckily still got restaurant available for us..else chammz...now my concern is cos its on sunday..and night, scare guest went off earlier..then b4 everything ends, the whole place becomes empty...
Do we need to chat in other thread? But i cant chat in nov 05 brides or jan 06 cos me not on that date ma..hahaha..how abt msn or email?
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Hi highness,
haywired? Ya..only when parents and in laws gif alot of problems and no solutions lor..hahahaa...
 
Hi Gin and sharon,
I was thinking of getting him as my rom photographer too in mar05 as i feel that his rate is very reasonable..but wasnt sure of his skills after reading this thread.

Possible to share your pictures with me? My email is : [email protected]

Thanks a lot!
 
Hi pple,

my 2 cents worth on this issue. If that KH is indeed that con artist Chris Soh, then don't you think his integrity is in doubt. Maybe, he is new and doesn't have a big portfolio. And maybe he is really sincere and professional with his customers but the BIG question is... Would you TRUST your money and more importantly, your marriage photography to someone with such a integrity problem?

Anyway, I did sign a package with Chris too, but the surname is Ling.
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Hi faithe,
Aiyoh..y bring this thread up again? :P Shld have join me at 'Eugene & Gins ROM pic' there ma...
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Anyway email u already.
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Hi icemilo,
Let me share with you something. I did check with him regarding the past issue. He did told me that its past already. I asked him why he did not want to explain here...he say such things after explanations would be worst...I agree as I met with difficult customers and the more we explain, the more unhappy customers is. He has been reading the forum on what we wrote and he is aware of what is happening. I do not asked more...as i told myself that its his skills that we want..and he produced my ROM pics beautifully..and I got alot of compliments in my thread the other side. Like i say, i dun earn commission, I also din specifically asked them to get from him...rather i share my pics with all ppl for them to judge themselves. I believe most brides here are already aware of this issue..so could you kindly help us by ending his case here? Im sure all ladies are aware of this case already. If you want to warn them, perhaps u can email them personally and share with them.
If you make a mistake, do you want a chance to be given? My life philosophy is everyone deserve another chance if he/her is willing to repent. At least I given my hubby a chance...and this is why we are happily married now and we are preparing for our AD.
Last note to all ladies, pls base on your own eyes to see....lets close this thread for good...
 
Hello Gin,
Did Chris S*h aka Kah H*ng tell you what he did to amend the situation pertaining the pictures he used without permission from the Bride or Albert from Everafter? What penalty did he received? How did he response to the lawsuit issued from Everafter to him? Did he refund the deposits that other couples paid him when he was found out. If nothing was done to him, what's to stop him or many other bogus photographers from showing protential brides, pictures that are not theirs? How will you know to trust him that he's not pulling a fast one on you too? I feel that he should not avoid the topic but to face the music headon.
Never the lawsuit, never mind whatever the penalty. Issue a public apology, get testimonials from his customers to confirm that he delivered the results. That may work better then to have this issue follow him for the rest of his career as a photographer.

* This is to recap what has happened that was posted previously regarding him;

He has been found out to be lying to another couple whom had paid deposit. When confronted pertaining the accusation, he had the cheek to say he was framed.

'Liar, liar pants on fire'

The pictures he downloaded from the couple mentioned, has steped up to verify the truth that Albert of Everafter was indeed the photographer for her wedding day and not Chr*s Soh.
Such is this issue that all brides forthcoming must take note of who they hire.

I hope that this thread is not taken down as it is important that every bride get to know what could go wrong when hiring photographers
Are they really showing what they had done. Rumour has it that there are bridal shops that 'buys' pictures from overseas to claim as their own to secure deals with couples.
 
Dear Jessica,

Like I say, if i stand in the shoes of CS, the more explanation given, the more he needs to explain as there are alot of things more behind just the lawsuit etc. If it happens to you, how would you feel? Anyway no worries la, I think when he is reading the thread, he will know what he needs to do.

"How will you know to trust him that he's not pulling a fast one on you too?"
Like I mention already, he is my photographer for my ROM, and the pics he delivered are fantastic...this one i can vow for him as I am his customer. No doubt I knew this case only after I engaged him, no doubt me and my hubb did worried about the effects too, but everything turn out to be fantastic. B4 he took my shoots, I even asked another couple to share their ROM pics with me and me and my hubb are convinced therefore we signed with him. Perhaps those couples b4 him posted to his site are 'fake', but I saw the real work..unless the couple is being bribe by him la...then i also kanna 'con' lor...

Regarding Law Suit issues, Im not interested to know as he has proven to me and my hubb that he is qualify (at least for us) he is professional and skillful. If you really want to know more abt the case, perhaps you can give either party a call. You make me feel that you want the law to put him in jail then you will stop pursuing...unless you are the couple who kanna 'con' by him lor. Anyway for this, juz my feelings and 2 cents worth..concerning no one.

For your info, Chin Leng already mention that he WILL NOT remove the thread already if you had been following this thread closely. I did not asked them to remove, rather keep this thread in achieve.

Like I mention, I am not on commission to clear his name...rather share views on the case. If i do make you angree or 'hot', I apologise.

That's all I wan to say...
 
Hi Gin,

like I have already mentioned earlier, perhaps, he is really a good photographer. Perhaps, but the important thing is customers should be aware of this. Cos, the photographers' integrity is in doubt here.

Yes, no one isn't giving him a second chance. But to pretend something like this hasn't happen is another thing. The public has the right to know and then decide for themselves if they feel they can trust him or not.

For me, I wouldn't trust my marriage photography to someone who cheated on his own portfolio. But again, its only my opinion.

If one can give a public apology and objectively clarify things, I don't think it will make matters worse. And pple will be more willing to 'give' him a 2nd chance. At least, he is honest and transparent abt it. The more you try to hide and avoid, the more suspicious pple will be.
 
Hello Gin,

I have just contacted Albert of Everafter Studio after reading your reply. He too feels that he will not post any comments personally on this forum as it can be blown out of proportion. He mentioned that unless Chris S*h aka Kah H*ng contact him personally then he will let the matter rest. Legal costs has been incurred on getting a lawyer to issue a letter to him, but it has been ignored. So unless a formal apology and costs of hiring the lawyer has been compensated, Albert will still pursue the matter. It's only time before the legal court will be involved. Then Kah H*ng will have to appear before court within 8 days to answer the summon. He also knows who this Kah H*ng guy is, how he looks like and will personally hand him the lawsuit if nothing is done by march 2005 this year.
You mentioned that his works are fantistic, why don't you show us your link to the pictures taken as well as the links of the other couples whom have liase with you. Is it really as journalistic as stated and worth the money. If it really is as good, then Albert or any other professional phootgraphers better review their charges. Let the public decide whether they are any good.
I admit i'm a strong supporter of Albert but am posting this so that such incidents will not happen again for the benefit of all future couples.
 
Hi Jessica and Icemilo,
I already shared my pics with most couples here in the link i created above.
Thanks.
I am not in any position to answer or reply anything as I had already say wat I need.
BTW congrats to both of you...
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Hi Jessica,
i m not a supporter of KH nor Albert nor any photogapher. KH is my ROM photographer & its a fact. my opinion is impartial FULLSTOP. anyone interested to see my ROM pls PM me (do not leave anymore msg here as i won't come in again) give me sometime to upload my ROM photo cos originally i never intend to share them to the world so i din upload.. BTW KH's photography is not journalistic, its just normal ROM/AD photography.
 
Hi Gin,

I would also appreciate if he would stop harvesting e-mail addresses from the forum and sending unsolicited e-mails to the wedding couples here.

Regards,
Chin Leng.
 
i feel, it wil be good for the photgrapher to take a photograph of himself, with the wedding couple in every of his assignmwent, then he can proudly show to the potential clients, so as to reassure them too. wat do u gals think? just my view only, no flaming pls
 
Tougei, you sure its the same person or not? Im reading it too..but he seriously not like tis when I met him...
And my ROM is one mth ago too..so its ard the same time as Joey Tan..the lady who posted...and he is not late for my ROM at all..and he did not delay my album..and he is very puntual during all meetings...so?
 
Hi Gin,

Hmm... maybe it's just luck. Some ppl have fantastic service while others have bad experience with the same service provider. Sometimes even the reputable ones have complaints too, right?
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I just wish to point out that Chris (if it's the same person) would really make an extra effort in his service to "mi bu" his past errors. Only then, perhaps he will really deserve a second chance.
 
Hi All
I dun think he is going to post or reply to this thread...... He knew that most of the brides had blacklisted him thus no pt for him to explain anymore...... i guess he must be scared of the lawsuit and pressure that the public is giving him now. What he had done, cannot be undone no pt pinpointing on his past mistakes..... i think everyone should be given a chance to repent..... he is a humble guy and maybe he doesnt know how to react to all this... give him a break and let the matter rest
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If those really interested in using him as a photographer, you can try to negotiate yr desposit with him and make sure that everything is ok liao then pay him the bal.....
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Hi cooldevil,
No point saying all these, cos i tried b4 and i failed...so it's ok...let the matter rest...
by the way share your pics with me k?
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I share mine with u...heee...anyway he already told me he will settle the lawsuit already.
 
Hi Gin
My email is [email protected]
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I have been reading this thread but had never post lor.... thut everything over liao.... I just he also wants to start all over again and put behind the past..... If this thread keep on appearing, it is very hard for him to start....

Of cos, I agree with Chin Leng that this thread should not be closed, all the brides has the right to see/read and judge themselves....if they still use KH or CS as their photographer, let it be........let KH proof himself to his customers

To KH or CS
I guess u know who am I, Hope u can start all over again and give yr very best to provide good work for yr customers and give them a better service.......
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Good luck!
 
Pertaining the copyright infringement case of Christ*pher aka Kah H*ng where he downloaded & claim ownership to using wedding couple's Sam & Mandy photographs. The case as of 7 march 2005 has been resolved. This case has been settled out of court with a heavy penalty of 12K including legal costs. As such, let this be a lesson learnt for all freelancer / part-timer photographers in Singapore pertaining the severity of copyright law.

With enough time & experience, a photographer will only get better. There's no short cut to success. It's a matter of passion & hard work.

I see for myself that Kah H*ng have gradually gained that experience from his works during the past few months. It's only now a matter of time before he suceeds. I wish him all the best for his future endeavors.

As of April 2005, EVERAFTER will be shifting premises to town for the convenience of protential wedding couples. There will be a name change to 'AlbertChua Photography' & the new address, you can find on www.everafter.com.sg

A new website will be created & interlink with Everafter's.
 
Hi Albert,
Glad that this case has finally resolved. Thanks for standing out to reactify this case. Anyway wish you and KH all the best in your career.
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Thanks Albert!

Everyone makes mistakes and some learned fr the hard way and I hope chris had learned his lesson and keep up his good work but better svs :P

All the best to both of u!
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Thanks Albert!

Hi Gin & sharon,
remember me? been so long nvr come to this thread.. i've seen both ur ROM photos taken by KH.. really so glad that this case is over.. did u both engaged him for ur AD? how's wedding preparation so far?
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Hi highness,
Yes, he is going to be my AD photographer.
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Wedding preparation almost ok...left GDL, food tasting, guests list, and giving of invitation card lor.
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I also did introduce some of my friends to him...hope he can service them well...since this case is over. :D
 
Hi highness,
Ya..he did uploaded a few new pics...although i did feel that his photos artwork almost the same, but the skills is not bad.
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How abt u?
 
Hi Gin,

i last saw him in last Dec.. :P
dunno if he still remember me, haha.. but shd get to see him soon in my frds' wedding..
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