Act Enforcement SIN for Videpgraphers and Photographers and newly wed
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jrimagexpress
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Yes, it's confirm. At least 80+ photographers / videographers / cinematographers / couples heard it on Monday night.
alvin_lee
Member
Such music licences are imposed on wedding videographers in other countries like Australia and UK all these while. This the the first time that the local music bodies are finally pushing out a legal framework for everyone to stay on the right side of the copyright law.
That is to say, all these years, SG wedding couples have not paid a single cent towards the incorporation of copyright music in their wedding videos. While most of the industry players welcome such licensing scheme, the costs and ease of application worries us.
These licences will be a new added business cost to all SG videographers and photographers who are going to apply for them. If a videographers does not get sufficient projects annually to amortize the total licence fees reasonably low, each wedding couple will have to bear a higher cost in the final price of the videography package.
A more detrimental effect is that the licensing fees may also deter budding videographers from entering this industry. Thus the quality of local wedding videography will never improve to match that of our overseas counterparts. The current average market rate of 2K plus for a quality full-day wedding videography is barely sustainable given the high man-hour costs in post-production, expensive equipment and high marketing costs.
We can only hope for the day when the value of motion picture for capturing wedding memories is duely recognized and duely supported by local consumers in monetary terms.
That is to say, all these years, SG wedding couples have not paid a single cent towards the incorporation of copyright music in their wedding videos. While most of the industry players welcome such licensing scheme, the costs and ease of application worries us.
These licences will be a new added business cost to all SG videographers and photographers who are going to apply for them. If a videographers does not get sufficient projects annually to amortize the total licence fees reasonably low, each wedding couple will have to bear a higher cost in the final price of the videography package.
A more detrimental effect is that the licensing fees may also deter budding videographers from entering this industry. Thus the quality of local wedding videography will never improve to match that of our overseas counterparts. The current average market rate of 2K plus for a quality full-day wedding videography is barely sustainable given the high man-hour costs in post-production, expensive equipment and high marketing costs.
We can only hope for the day when the value of motion picture for capturing wedding memories is duely recognized and duely supported by local consumers in monetary terms.
jrimagexpress
New Member
Yo bro Alvin, agreed with you, hope local Wedding videography will improve to match oversea counterpart. Hope all couples understand and appreciate our high man-hour costs in post-production, expensive equipment and high marketing costs.
dreambox_media_louis
New Member
The music license will definitely cause those who is thinking of venturing into wedding videography to think twice. Unless they are very serious about providing quality works, most new comers would not rush to jump into the boat now. As such, we should be seeing more dedicated videographers in the market.
Couples will tend to be more discerning now when choosing vgs since the price will increase over time. But hopefully, when the standard of wedding videography improves, they will be more appreciative of our works and be more willing to invest more to document their once-in a lifetime event.
Another area that will change is in the photo montage service. Unless couples do not want it, I foresee more couples to be seeking professional help to do up their photo montage if it involves using their favourite songs.
Couples will tend to be more discerning now when choosing vgs since the price will increase over time. But hopefully, when the standard of wedding videography improves, they will be more appreciative of our works and be more willing to invest more to document their once-in a lifetime event.
Another area that will change is in the photo montage service. Unless couples do not want it, I foresee more couples to be seeking professional help to do up their photo montage if it involves using their favourite songs.
cookiekaya
New Member
thanks for the info.......I had read RIPS’s tariff, the DJ had already been screw up with $600 per year.
DJ had a wide range of songs used or in possession in all such events, and they can use it all over long hours. My point was how many songs can our photographers/videographers used as per AD wedding, I would say not many, limited to romantic or love songs. How can we justifies of such quantium between them (DJ and P/V) Not forgetting our local P/V are as good as other international player too. Further, Govt is to promo marriage and on the other factors had been crabs up. Can CASE pick this up regards the quantium premium for P/V and caused indirectly damage to couple pocket?
DJ had a wide range of songs used or in possession in all such events, and they can use it all over long hours. My point was how many songs can our photographers/videographers used as per AD wedding, I would say not many, limited to romantic or love songs. How can we justifies of such quantium between them (DJ and P/V) Not forgetting our local P/V are as good as other international player too. Further, Govt is to promo marriage and on the other factors had been crabs up. Can CASE pick this up regards the quantium premium for P/V and caused indirectly damage to couple pocket?
littlereddot
Member
Hi to all.. Has this been finalised? how much and where do VG apply from? Thanks.
This thing is so headache. THey want to enforce this but not ready to take all the questions and wwithout a proper schemne. *faints*
This thing is so headache. THey want to enforce this but not ready to take all the questions and wwithout a proper schemne. *faints*
Yes I agreed, wonder why no wedding couples report it to Frontline?? Maybe it help to clear the air & speed up those so call represent company process as they does not firm on their fee & they can't afford to engage people to catch those breaking the law. it like last time pirated CD selling on the street where police not free to catch them. Any bold couple around to frontline!
I don't support this license too, although I'm a freelance videographer.
I'm contacting a few singers' management, and so far 2 has replied - One is Zee Avi, the email reply I shared at this COMPASS thread http://www.singaporebrides.com/cgi-bin/forumboard/show.cgi?7/1320591
Another is The Swell Season (Glen Hansard - the Irish singer, 'Once' movie).
Here's the management person of The Swell Season's reply:
hi mei.
im sure if its for effectively personal use, then this is not a problem and you should just go ahead and use them.
best
claire
On 2 Jun 2010, at 05:10, Mei wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I love The Swell Season's songs very much.
>
> I would like to inquire how should I proceed if I would like to use their songs in my client's wedding videos (Singapore)?
> (I'm a Freelance Videographer (Malaysian) based in Singapore.)
>
> I'm hired to record and produce my clients' wedding video. Eventually, the video is for the wedding couple's private usage, and it will only be given back to the wedding couple, not for reselling at the public. May I know how should I proceed?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Cheers,
> Mei
I've also shared an old article link on the COMPASS thread which stated why the license is not required for wedding case.
I hope this will bring the awareness of everyone, on what we can do especially in this modern world (when things are moving to open-source model), not just following what the parties said.
I'm contacting a few singers' management, and so far 2 has replied - One is Zee Avi, the email reply I shared at this COMPASS thread http://www.singaporebrides.com/cgi-bin/forumboard/show.cgi?7/1320591
Another is The Swell Season (Glen Hansard - the Irish singer, 'Once' movie).
Here's the management person of The Swell Season's reply:
hi mei.
im sure if its for effectively personal use, then this is not a problem and you should just go ahead and use them.
best
claire
On 2 Jun 2010, at 05:10, Mei wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I love The Swell Season's songs very much.
>
> I would like to inquire how should I proceed if I would like to use their songs in my client's wedding videos (Singapore)?
> (I'm a Freelance Videographer (Malaysian) based in Singapore.)
>
> I'm hired to record and produce my clients' wedding video. Eventually, the video is for the wedding couple's private usage, and it will only be given back to the wedding couple, not for reselling at the public. May I know how should I proceed?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Cheers,
> Mei
I've also shared an old article link on the COMPASS thread which stated why the license is not required for wedding case.
I hope this will bring the awareness of everyone, on what we can do especially in this modern world (when things are moving to open-source model), not just following what the parties said.
Hi As_Fate_Says,
To be safe, I'm verifying this with COMPASS, RIPS, and MPS.. Still waiting for their Email reply. Sign, they're really not responsive. Probably will call them up. Will surely update everyone
Those singers I've contacted are actually indie singers /labels. They gave me an impression that they're not trying to suck money from personal usage of their song, as people will spend money for their live performance and CDs. Couple, VG, PG are not getting profit by reselling the video/slideshow (who in the public will buy other's video?).
I respect copyright and intellectual property rights. But I think what COMPASS, RIPS, and MPS did is bit too over the case in addition they don't even bother the proper and transparent implementation and they've started to fine everyone.
Just my thoughts
To be safe, I'm verifying this with COMPASS, RIPS, and MPS.. Still waiting for their Email reply. Sign, they're really not responsive. Probably will call them up. Will surely update everyone
Those singers I've contacted are actually indie singers /labels. They gave me an impression that they're not trying to suck money from personal usage of their song, as people will spend money for their live performance and CDs. Couple, VG, PG are not getting profit by reselling the video/slideshow (who in the public will buy other's video?).
I respect copyright and intellectual property rights. But I think what COMPASS, RIPS, and MPS did is bit too over the case in addition they don't even bother the proper and transparent implementation and they've started to fine everyone.
Just my thoughts
Verified with COMPASS over phone call.
COMPASS - Represent the song composers/writers
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Permit required: Playing the videos (regardless of who is the producer) in public premise (wedding reception) with embedded copyrighted song
Permit Charge: SGD50 + 7% GST / day
Q: Do we also need to apply license in addition if we hire live band performance?
COMPASS: No. It's covered under the hotel's permit (they should have the permit already).
Q: Who should apply for this permit?
COMPASS: Either the PG or VG or the couple as this permit covers all the videos/montage regardless of who producing it.
Q: If we sync the video (no music embedded in the video) with the hotel music?
COMPASS: No permit is required. The hotel should have the permit to play the music already.
Q: If we're granted the permission to use the music in the video, by the song composers, do we still need to apply the permit?
COMPASS:
There is no free lunch under the sun.
[Me: Not true... There are songs licensed under Creative Commons which allow us to use for free.]
Hm... In that case no permit is required as long as you're sure that copyright clearance (by composer, recording company, publisher) all granted to you.
If only the composer permission is granted, we have no right to fine you as we don't represent recording company and publisher.
That will go to RIPS and MPS.
Q: Are you able to check if the song I want to use, is NOT under COMPASS protection? As such, I have to contact the copyrighter?
COMPASS: You may use our chargeable Song Search Service to verify if the song is under our protection.
The service charge is SGD25/song. To be safe and easy, I suggest you apply the permit.
COMPASS - Represent the song composers/writers
================================================
Permit required: Playing the videos (regardless of who is the producer) in public premise (wedding reception) with embedded copyrighted song
Permit Charge: SGD50 + 7% GST / day
Q: Do we also need to apply license in addition if we hire live band performance?
COMPASS: No. It's covered under the hotel's permit (they should have the permit already).
Q: Who should apply for this permit?
COMPASS: Either the PG or VG or the couple as this permit covers all the videos/montage regardless of who producing it.
Q: If we sync the video (no music embedded in the video) with the hotel music?
COMPASS: No permit is required. The hotel should have the permit to play the music already.
Q: If we're granted the permission to use the music in the video, by the song composers, do we still need to apply the permit?
COMPASS:
There is no free lunch under the sun.
[Me: Not true... There are songs licensed under Creative Commons which allow us to use for free.]
Hm... In that case no permit is required as long as you're sure that copyright clearance (by composer, recording company, publisher) all granted to you.
If only the composer permission is granted, we have no right to fine you as we don't represent recording company and publisher.
That will go to RIPS and MPS.
Q: Are you able to check if the song I want to use, is NOT under COMPASS protection? As such, I have to contact the copyrighter?
COMPASS: You may use our chargeable Song Search Service to verify if the song is under our protection.
The service charge is SGD25/song. To be safe and easy, I suggest you apply the permit.
RIPS - Represent recording labels
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Permit required: Reproduction / Embedding the musics in montage/video
Permit Charge: SGD2000 / year / license
Q: Who should apply this license? Is the pricing same for individual or company?
RIPS: The person/company who produces the work. Same pricing for individual applicant / company applicant.
No limitation on number of employees that covered under 1 license.
Q: Shouldn't the individual charge should be lower than company charge? Or, shouldn't the license go by the revenue/usage volume?
RIPS: ... We do not have the manpower to ensure the PG/VG's honesty on reporting the business/usage volume.
(me: ???? Aren't this the implementer's responsibility? COMPASS has permit that is case by case basis.)
RIPS: Sorry.. this is the license policy.
(me:...)
Q: What if the couple or their families/friends want to DIY video/photomontages?
RIPS: Then they'll have to apply the license as well.
Q. Do you mean they have to pay SGD2000 just for 1 time usage?
RIPS: Ermmm.... Actually we're updating our website and it will be rolled out next week. Including this ad-hoc license for wedding couple.
This license is not applicable for videos/montage produced by PG/VG.
Q: Are you able to check if the song I want to use, is NOT under RIPS protection? As such, I have to contact the copyrighter?
COMPASS: You may send us the song details (by with publisher) and we will let you know again.
My thoughts:
The implementer should not give the excuse of 'lack of manpower to do the checking'.
What is so difficult to have case-by-case license like COMPASS?
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Permit required: Reproduction / Embedding the musics in montage/video
Permit Charge: SGD2000 / year / license
Q: Who should apply this license? Is the pricing same for individual or company?
RIPS: The person/company who produces the work. Same pricing for individual applicant / company applicant.
No limitation on number of employees that covered under 1 license.
Q: Shouldn't the individual charge should be lower than company charge? Or, shouldn't the license go by the revenue/usage volume?
RIPS: ... We do not have the manpower to ensure the PG/VG's honesty on reporting the business/usage volume.
(me: ???? Aren't this the implementer's responsibility? COMPASS has permit that is case by case basis.)
RIPS: Sorry.. this is the license policy.
(me:...)
Q: What if the couple or their families/friends want to DIY video/photomontages?
RIPS: Then they'll have to apply the license as well.
Q. Do you mean they have to pay SGD2000 just for 1 time usage?
RIPS: Ermmm.... Actually we're updating our website and it will be rolled out next week. Including this ad-hoc license for wedding couple.
This license is not applicable for videos/montage produced by PG/VG.
Q: Are you able to check if the song I want to use, is NOT under RIPS protection? As such, I have to contact the copyrighter?
COMPASS: You may send us the song details (by with publisher) and we will let you know again.
My thoughts:
The implementer should not give the excuse of 'lack of manpower to do the checking'.
What is so difficult to have case-by-case license like COMPASS?
Thanks Mei Guan, for the effort
Precisely, confusion for both couple and VG and PG in short, Who is smoking who!...
Compass had a form for wedding and RIps and Mps website no such form for wedding.
If lack of manpower to do the checking, SO who had inform the the 3 organisations the first place?
If there isnt any smoke, where got the fire?
Precisely, confusion for both couple and VG and PG in short, Who is smoking who!...
Compass had a form for wedding and RIps and Mps website no such form for wedding.
If lack of manpower to do the checking, SO who had inform the the 3 organisations the first place?
If there isnt any smoke, where got the fire?
Yes, both three are not really professional when answering the questions.
Like Compass, when I asked, can you verify if the song is under your protection? The person actually, literally said: Do you know there are millions of songs out there? We can't really tell you which song that is protected by us.
Actually, if they're really protecting the copyrighter, shouldn't us has the right to know if, if the royalty fee we paid will go to the right pocket? If they do not know which songs are under their protection, how are they giving the royalty fee back to the copyrighter???
And if the royalty fee I paid to COMPASS later found out it's actually does not cover the song I used. Will I get sued by the copyrighter????
And, if I didn't know about royalty-free songs, meaning COMPASS staff was trying to smoke me by saying "there's no free lunch under the sun + there's no such thing called royalty-free', didn't he? Obviously he thought I know nothing about intellectual property rights and licensing. I've been contacting Creative Commons SG Representative , and alot of stuff, like google program, wiki article, alot, are under CC license.
So sad about how they 'presumed' people want to 'steal' the intellectual property.
BTW, this is the mail correspondence btwn me and the swell season band's manager:
-------------------
Hi,
I love The Swell Season's songs very much.
I would like to inquire how should I proceed if I would like to use their songs in my client's wedding videos (Singapore)?
(I'm a Freelance Videographer (Malaysian) based in Singapore.)
I'm hired to record and produce my clients' wedding video. Eventually, the video is for the wedding couple's private usage, and it will only be given back to the wedding couple, not for reselling at the public. May I know how should I proceed?
Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Mei
hi mei.
im sure if its for effectively personal use, then this is not a problem and you should just go ahead and use them.
best
claire
Hi Claire,
Many thanks for your promptly reply and the permission for using the music.
Recently 3 Singapore representatives raised the song copyright infringement issue and started to implement expensive license charges on wedding photographer/videographer.
Due to this, the wedding reception venue (for e.g. ball room) needs us to show the song license before the wedding couple can play the video with copyrighted song in the wedding reception.
- Do you have any official letter for granting me the permission?
- Other than Framesoffice, do I need to obtain permission from other parties?
Lastly... I would really like to know if any of them represent The Swell Season or the publisher, or labels, and has the right to collect royalty fee on behalf ?
The 3 Singapore representatives are:
- COMPASS ( Composers and Authors Society of Singapore) ,
- RIPS (Recording Industry Performance Singapore Pte Ltd), and
- MPS ( Music Publishers (Singapore)
Thank you so much for the information!
Regards,
Mei
from Claire Leadbitter <[email protected]>
sender-time Sent at 5:57 PM (GMT+01:00). Current time there: 4:11 PM. ✆
to Mei <[email protected]>
date Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:57 PM
subject Re: Requesting song license to use The Swell Season's song in wedding videos
mailed-by me.com
well, that is a bit extreme in my opinion mei!
if they are really looking for a licence to play music for a wedding and in private wedding videos, then you would have to go to warner chapel music who own the rights to the song and get a licence from them. that might take a while and they might say no.
im really sorry, but, it sounds like its a bit of a nightmare for the usage in your video.
i am only a humble manager of the band, who knows that the artists themselves would have no problem with the song being used in a wedding video context. however, as they are legally published by a bigger company - which of course your mps, rips and compass would deal with, then maybe for singapore this proves problematic.
sorry. unless you want to go through the rigmarole of getting an official licence, i cant just send you one from here.
best
claire
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Like Compass, when I asked, can you verify if the song is under your protection? The person actually, literally said: Do you know there are millions of songs out there? We can't really tell you which song that is protected by us.
Actually, if they're really protecting the copyrighter, shouldn't us has the right to know if, if the royalty fee we paid will go to the right pocket? If they do not know which songs are under their protection, how are they giving the royalty fee back to the copyrighter???
And if the royalty fee I paid to COMPASS later found out it's actually does not cover the song I used. Will I get sued by the copyrighter????
And, if I didn't know about royalty-free songs, meaning COMPASS staff was trying to smoke me by saying "there's no free lunch under the sun + there's no such thing called royalty-free', didn't he? Obviously he thought I know nothing about intellectual property rights and licensing. I've been contacting Creative Commons SG Representative , and alot of stuff, like google program, wiki article, alot, are under CC license.
So sad about how they 'presumed' people want to 'steal' the intellectual property.
BTW, this is the mail correspondence btwn me and the swell season band's manager:
-------------------
Hi,
I love The Swell Season's songs very much.
I would like to inquire how should I proceed if I would like to use their songs in my client's wedding videos (Singapore)?
(I'm a Freelance Videographer (Malaysian) based in Singapore.)
I'm hired to record and produce my clients' wedding video. Eventually, the video is for the wedding couple's private usage, and it will only be given back to the wedding couple, not for reselling at the public. May I know how should I proceed?
Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Mei
hi mei.
im sure if its for effectively personal use, then this is not a problem and you should just go ahead and use them.
best
claire
Hi Claire,
Many thanks for your promptly reply and the permission for using the music.
Recently 3 Singapore representatives raised the song copyright infringement issue and started to implement expensive license charges on wedding photographer/videographer.
Due to this, the wedding reception venue (for e.g. ball room) needs us to show the song license before the wedding couple can play the video with copyrighted song in the wedding reception.
- Do you have any official letter for granting me the permission?
- Other than Framesoffice, do I need to obtain permission from other parties?
Lastly... I would really like to know if any of them represent The Swell Season or the publisher, or labels, and has the right to collect royalty fee on behalf ?
The 3 Singapore representatives are:
- COMPASS ( Composers and Authors Society of Singapore) ,
- RIPS (Recording Industry Performance Singapore Pte Ltd), and
- MPS ( Music Publishers (Singapore)
Thank you so much for the information!
Regards,
Mei
from Claire Leadbitter <[email protected]>
sender-time Sent at 5:57 PM (GMT+01:00). Current time there: 4:11 PM. ✆
to Mei <[email protected]>
date Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:57 PM
subject Re: Requesting song license to use The Swell Season's song in wedding videos
mailed-by me.com
well, that is a bit extreme in my opinion mei!
if they are really looking for a licence to play music for a wedding and in private wedding videos, then you would have to go to warner chapel music who own the rights to the song and get a licence from them. that might take a while and they might say no.
im really sorry, but, it sounds like its a bit of a nightmare for the usage in your video.
i am only a humble manager of the band, who knows that the artists themselves would have no problem with the song being used in a wedding video context. however, as they are legally published by a bigger company - which of course your mps, rips and compass would deal with, then maybe for singapore this proves problematic.
sorry. unless you want to go through the rigmarole of getting an official licence, i cant just send you one from here.
best
claire
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MPS - representing the Publisher
================================================
MPS the worst. No contact number from their website. Ended up I got it from RIPS person.
When I called in and asked if this is MPS line, the lady: MPS? No...
Me: I got the contact from RIPS regarding music license.
MPS: Oh, actually we do not have office. I'm one of the MPS members (I think this refers to one of the music publishers protected by MPS)
So the lady told me that they're still finalizing the license and charges.
Me: Does it mean we can at the moment use the songs without issue?
Lady: No. You have to email us before hand.
Me: I did but no one replied. I have a wedding assignment coming weeks.
Lady: You can just email us the song list because we have not finalized anything yet. Once we finalized, we will charge you back.
Me: Charge us back??? May I know roughly how much will RIPS charge?
Lady: We don't know yet.
Me: ........
Verification FAILED over a phone call.
================================================
MPS the worst. No contact number from their website. Ended up I got it from RIPS person.
When I called in and asked if this is MPS line, the lady: MPS? No...
Me: I got the contact from RIPS regarding music license.
MPS: Oh, actually we do not have office. I'm one of the MPS members (I think this refers to one of the music publishers protected by MPS)
So the lady told me that they're still finalizing the license and charges.
Me: Does it mean we can at the moment use the songs without issue?
Lady: No. You have to email us before hand.
Me: I did but no one replied. I have a wedding assignment coming weeks.
Lady: You can just email us the song list because we have not finalized anything yet. Once we finalized, we will charge you back.
Me: Charge us back??? May I know roughly how much will RIPS charge?
Lady: We don't know yet.
Me: ........
Verification FAILED over a phone call.
jrimagexpress
New Member
Hi to all,
Great news! The RIPS have finally finalized at $90 per wedding from couple.
It's state only need this license, so we just forget about MPS & Compass!
For all couples, we will refund back $90 to couple who sign the Cinematography / Video package with us from now till end of Jul 2010!
JR Imagexpress Productions (since 1994)
Website: www.jrimagexpress.com
Contact: +65 96868073
Biz Reg No: 53107753E
Great news! The RIPS have finally finalized at $90 per wedding from couple.
It's state only need this license, so we just forget about MPS & Compass!
For all couples, we will refund back $90 to couple who sign the Cinematography / Video package with us from now till end of Jul 2010!
JR Imagexpress Productions (since 1994)
Website: www.jrimagexpress.com
Contact: +65 96868073
Biz Reg No: 53107753E
Yes, RIPS finally rolled out their new website & the ad-hoc license for wedding couple as mentioned last two weeks in the call.
So people, please check out RIPS website under wedding for the license info: http://www.rips.com.sg/wedding/
Cheers!
Application Form (for wedding couple) download: http://www.rips.com.sg/downloads/file/11
So people, please check out RIPS website under wedding for the license info: http://www.rips.com.sg/wedding/
Cheers!
Application Form (for wedding couple) download: http://www.rips.com.sg/downloads/file/11
Forgot to update you guys, Both the RIPS & COMPASS license are required to play montage/videos in your wedding if it's with copyrighted songs embedded.
Workaround:
Provide 1 disk - video without song
Provide 1 disk with original song
Pass to the hotel and ask their audio guy to sync it when playing both the disks together.
No license is required for this as the hotel generally has the blanket license to play songs.
It's a verified workaround with COMPASS & RIPS.
Workaround:
Provide 1 disk - video without song
Provide 1 disk with original song
Pass to the hotel and ask their audio guy to sync it when playing both the disks together.
No license is required for this as the hotel generally has the blanket license to play songs.
It's a verified workaround with COMPASS & RIPS.
Hi P
You have to apply BOTH licenses below:
1) The $90 is RIPS license only (which represent the recording company who records the song).
2) COMPASS license at S$50 + 7%GST (which represent the song composers)
For COMPASS license: No restriction on no. of vid or songs playable.
For RIPS license: If you read their license form carefully they limit it to 1 video + 5 songs. Saying that, you can produce only 1 video with restriction of max 5 songs can be embedded.
However, as I verified with them, video may have different chapters. That means you can put your childhood vid, express highlights vid etc as separate chapters in a video disk, total up to 5 songs.
You have to apply BOTH licenses below:
1) The $90 is RIPS license only (which represent the recording company who records the song).
2) COMPASS license at S$50 + 7%GST (which represent the song composers)
For COMPASS license: No restriction on no. of vid or songs playable.
For RIPS license: If you read their license form carefully they limit it to 1 video + 5 songs. Saying that, you can produce only 1 video with restriction of max 5 songs can be embedded.
However, as I verified with them, video may have different chapters. That means you can put your childhood vid, express highlights vid etc as separate chapters in a video disk, total up to 5 songs.
MG,
I've read the website u provided.It's really helpful. Thanks!
But can i verify smt wif u? (double confirm ah)
My bf is doing our childhood montage, so we need to pay the $90 rite?
Den the background music is absorb by the hotel?
VG service that we engaged is suppose to have license rite? So we don't have to pay anymore other den the $90 for the montage we did our own?
I've read the website u provided.It's really helpful. Thanks!
But can i verify smt wif u? (double confirm ah)
My bf is doing our childhood montage, so we need to pay the $90 rite?
Den the background music is absorb by the hotel?
VG service that we engaged is suppose to have license rite? So we don't have to pay anymore other den the $90 for the montage we did our own?
Hi Meiguan, do we have to apply the two types of license if we DIY one video montage for my wedding?
which compass license should i be applying as i read that the $50 is for background music cd?
http://www.compass.org.sg/cIndex140.aspx
Appreciate if anyone can help. TIA!
which compass license should i be applying as i read that the $50 is for background music cd?
http://www.compass.org.sg/cIndex140.aspx
Appreciate if anyone can help. TIA!
Hi Yunzie & Michelle,
Sorry for late response as it's a peak wedding season now!
@michelle, no, you or the VG has to apply both licenses from RIPS and COMPASS in any cases if you embedded any copyrighted songs into your video.
Not all VG has license and not all VG understands about this too... You have to check with yours.
@yunzie,
If you have engaged VG/PG with license to use copyrighted songs, you can ask them a favor to cover for your DIY video.
Otherwise technical speaking you have to apply both two license because you're the person who create the videos.
For COMPASS yes it is the S$50 license (you can call and verify with them once again)
For RIPS it is the CATEGORY C S$90 license
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If you do not want to spend money:
Provide 1 disk - video without song
Provide 1 disk with original song
Pass to the hotel audio to sync itby playing both the disks together.
No license is required for this as we don't embed the songs into video.
As for playing copyrighted song, the hotel generally has the blanket license for this.
It's a verified workaround with COMPASS & RIPS.
Okay! Happy wedding everyone!
Sorry for late response as it's a peak wedding season now!
@michelle, no, you or the VG has to apply both licenses from RIPS and COMPASS in any cases if you embedded any copyrighted songs into your video.
Not all VG has license and not all VG understands about this too... You have to check with yours.
@yunzie,
If you have engaged VG/PG with license to use copyrighted songs, you can ask them a favor to cover for your DIY video.
Otherwise technical speaking you have to apply both two license because you're the person who create the videos.
For COMPASS yes it is the S$50 license (you can call and verify with them once again)
For RIPS it is the CATEGORY C S$90 license
----------------------------------------------------
If you do not want to spend money:
Provide 1 disk - video without song
Provide 1 disk with original song
Pass to the hotel audio to sync itby playing both the disks together.
No license is required for this as we don't embed the songs into video.
As for playing copyrighted song, the hotel generally has the blanket license for this.
It's a verified workaround with COMPASS & RIPS.
Okay! Happy wedding everyone!
Hi,
If I get a videographer to do my video/montage, can I still apply for the RIPS/COMPASS license by myself? i.e. the $50+$90. I've emailed RIPS but the person who replied me insists that the videographer should be the one applying for the license. I'm concerned that if he does it, it will not be under Cat C, which is $90...but may be some other higher annual fee.
If I get a videographer to do my video/montage, can I still apply for the RIPS/COMPASS license by myself? i.e. the $50+$90. I've emailed RIPS but the person who replied me insists that the videographer should be the one applying for the license. I'm concerned that if he does it, it will not be under Cat C, which is $90...but may be some other higher annual fee.
rabbitnpiglet
New Member
hi there, i'm not sure where to post this, but since its on the topic of using music...
i'm currently in the midst of planning for the proposal to my gf, and i intend to make a video for this event. i am planning to use a Japanese song, Song For by ROOKiEZ is PUNK'D (i'm planning to use the instrumental version included in the CD Single).
Now the issue of copyrights come into play and i am feeling troubled. if i use it for my proposal (and if everything works well, i will want to show it during the wedding dinner), do i have to apply the license?
Do hope someone can help me here...
i'm currently in the midst of planning for the proposal to my gf, and i intend to make a video for this event. i am planning to use a Japanese song, Song For by ROOKiEZ is PUNK'D (i'm planning to use the instrumental version included in the CD Single).
Now the issue of copyrights come into play and i am feeling troubled. if i use it for my proposal (and if everything works well, i will want to show it during the wedding dinner), do i have to apply the license?
Do hope someone can help me here...
inspectorgadget
New Member
Hi rabbitNpiglet,
First things first, just get the video done since it is just for your bride-to-be. I think she will be appreciative of your effort no matter what.
The licensing only applies if you are showing it to the public. (which includes your guests at the wedding dinner)
Worry about the licensing later. Worst case is not being able to show the video during your wedding dinner.
Alternatively, you can create a muted version of the video and have the wedding dinner venue play their default background music or even have them play your single track.
First things first, just get the video done since it is just for your bride-to-be. I think she will be appreciative of your effort no matter what.
The licensing only applies if you are showing it to the public. (which includes your guests at the wedding dinner)
Worry about the licensing later. Worst case is not being able to show the video during your wedding dinner.
Alternatively, you can create a muted version of the video and have the wedding dinner venue play their default background music or even have them play your single track.
rabbitnpiglet
New Member
Thanks inspector gadget!
You are right.... I should worry later.
Thanks!
You are right.... I should worry later.
Thanks!
Hi, anyone has VG to recommend? Pls email me at [email protected] . Budget is <$500 and date is 11 Mar 2012. Requirements: half day (ra-ra fetch bride, tea ceremony and solemnisation at HTB home). Thanks much~
Looking for a VG and PG for my Actual day.2nd of june(Budget 1.1k-1.4k)email:[email protected]
hi,
I looking for a cheap and good videographer for AD only.
Pls email me @ [email protected]
thanks
I looking for a cheap and good videographer for AD only.
Pls email me @ [email protected]
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