Work it out or.....

soisuka

New Member
Hi...I'll try to sound as coherent as possible.Its a long story, I'll start from the beginning.

I'm currently engaged to my SO, we broke up for 2 yrs bcos we were just fighting so much and essentially felt we were incompatible. During the 2 yrs we were tog then, we broke up many times. About 2 years after the 'I thot permanent' break, he msg me out of the blue, sounded like he was down, so I met him, thinking we could be friends. At the end of the night, he asked if we could try again.

I said no, that it will just be the same, we're not compatible etc. He persisted for some weeks, promising that things would be different... After a few weeks, I relented eventhough my heart wasn't exactly in the same place. I figured the only way to find out if this could work was to give it another shot.

So very quickly, we were calling each other baby again, things were really good for a while. About 6 months after we got back tog, we were in an accident, where I got injured. About a week after this in feb 2011, at the encouragement of my sister, he proposed. I said yes....thinking we survived something so traumatic tog, we must be meant to be, he felt the same. I did have some reservations at the time, bcos my sister was hinting to him, plus it was only 6 mths since we got back tog, and I also felt he didn't put alot of effort into the getting a right ring. I complained for a while...but figured in the end, its only a ring, its how he treats me that matters.

So in the year since the proposal, I've tried to get the wedding planning going, but we can't seem to settle on a date bcos his family wants to consult the shifu on an auspicious date. It was just back and forth alot, I'll ask him, he'll ask his mother, his mother will say the book is not out. He would first say July, then it was October, then october came and went, I even went back to his home in KL and now its after CNY. Basically unless I ask or do something...otherwise nothing happens.

Anyway, we've tried applying for BTOs, which have been unsuccessful which is another stress bcos he currently lives with me & my dad in a 3rm flat. My brother is about to move in bcos of his health. And also, most if not all of the time, I am the one actively looking to apply for flats.

So thats the background....

Now....In Decemeber, I suddenly had this deep seated feeling that there is something just a little off. He was coming home late, staying after work to drink, he would be distant and I also realized that our sex life was very infrequent. And little things like used tissue paper in the passenger seat, the mirror left up and if I ask him who he drove, he'll say his male Japanese consultant.

So I went into his FB and phone one day and uncovered some stuff I didn't know before.

A day before he asked me to get back tog, he sent a heartfelt msg to his ex whom he broken up w more than 5 yrs ago. He wrote about their old memories, made promises and he begs (yes beg) her to not shut him out of her life.

I didn't know what to feel, it just means everything he said to get me back is a lie. I questioned him, he cried and said she was very special to him, that he almost wanted to kill himself when she left. He said he doesn't need to defend what he did then. I tried to thrash things out, but it was futile. So we went into cold war for 2 days....During the same time when we were patching back, I also found out he was randomly msging strangers online asking to meet/date/sex. In all cases, there were no replies from the other party, even the ex (although I did know they met earlier, if they kept in contact other ways I dunno).

So in the end, bcos we were planning to get married and that I do really love him. I decided to just focus on the now, whatever happened in the past, I couldn't change it. But I couldn't shake the feeling that there was more. I uncover yet another msg from one of his I think ex-student (he teaches tuition).

She wrote "Lol dearie, do u ever check ur fb msges? Can I msg here too besides sms?....."
And then she tells him how her attraction for him started and that he can reply via sms. There was no reply from him on FB. This msg was in late May 2011. This girl does seem to have a boyfriend during that period. I did more digging, and found that he saved her number on his phone as the name of his japanese consultant and the ringtone is 'rejection tone' It really is bcos the tone goes 'do not pick up....'

I asked him abt it, at first he got defensive, that i dun trust him etc. Later he said she likes him, he doesn't like her. Although they did go out for drinks and ice-skating.

We've never been ice-skating....our dates consist of eating, sometimes movies, sitting at east coast park or jus staying home.

Anyway, so lets just say I take his word for it. I needed to know more about his past....he said not everything is what it seems and he ended the discussion abt his ex with 'she thinks without her I will die ah, CCB..." Again...dunno how to feel, first she's special now you hate her....

Anyway, we had one discussion that ended w him saying he'll move out and we'll start over. But after that he would pretend he never said it.

So CNY, he goes home to KL for a week, I decided not to go. I figured we need time to think things through. He calls everyday in the beginning on viber, we're just normal, baby I miss u all that. He goes off to Ipoh w his frds on the 2nd day. He calls at night on viber, the connection was bad, he msges, I said u can just place a normal call, he says, he's playing mahjong. Will be back in KL the next day, then he'll call. Fine... next day he doesn't call. On the 3rd day, I couldn't take it. I call and ask why he doesn't call. He says he's still in Ipoh and roaming is expensive. I am literally speechless......

He's a very affectionate man, all kisses and I love yous.... And most of the time, when we fight, he's the one who will cry first. He's not happy if I dun hug him when we sleep. He loves my cooking. He picks me up just bcos I like him to.

But somehow I always just feel like this isn't enough, that I need more. There isn't this security that I believe I oughta be feeling.

So I dunno, am I just insecure or is his behavior cause for worry?
 


cococherry

New Member
Dump him is the best advise I would give to you.

You can find plenty of better men on street who will express affection too, who will fetch you off work whenever you want to. Bottomline is they are at least trustworthy and loyal to their girlfriends whereas your bf is dishonest and unfaithful.

Some men won't turn good even after many years and marriage certainly not a miracle to change his personality.

I know some men who can cry and begged for forgiveness now and sleep with another women the very next moment. Crying doesn't mean they love you very much to the extent they are willing to forgo their fun of flirting with another women.
 

matka

Member
Soisuka, you probably hate to hear this being affirmed but deep in your heart, you know what's best for you.

His behaviour is cause for worry. You deserve someone better, and even if there is no one eventually, it's still better than being stuck with a liability (ie. him).

I'll call him a liability, because he's a liability on your mental health and puts undue emotional strain on you. He's emo and he's needy, but he doesn't just look to you for that. He goes hunting. He goes looking for attention elsewhere.

It won't end here. Even if nothing happens, it's probably because the other side 'rejected' him (like his ex-gf's and the rest of the women's non-replies). But you have a young thing (student) who feels impressed by an older man... it will not end at her. Marriage or not.
 

denise80

Active Member
It's pretty obvious that you love him (or rather, love the idea of loving him) more than he really loves you. The very fact that he could call up another ex to tell her similar things he had told you before showed how not serious he was about being with you. Most importantly, he didn't sound like someone reliable or dependable at all. Fancy having something probably going on with a tutee? Which respectable man will do that? To me, you're not afraid to lose him but more like you dun like the idea of having invested in time and effort only to end up parting with one another. Let me tell you, for such a jerk, being with him for another 1 second is a further 1 second waste of your time in life. Please seriously dump him. Never be with anyone who uses emotional blackmail as a tool to gain affection or sympathy. It's pathetic.
 

denise80

Active Member
We shouldnt be with someone just because there's nothing really wrong in the relationship. We should be with that someone because we really love the person and this love is mutual. Most importantly, u must be truly happy. I feel u r kind of 'blind' to his many flaws (yes, despite listing them) that u begin to feel he hasn't done anything seriously wrong for u to say gdbye to him. I had a similar ex bf before who loves to use emotional blackmail and I was really glad to have dumped him tho it was an ugly closure. Do take care when u choose to dump him. Be safe and do not give in to his pleasor cries or threats to suicide or what.
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
From all that have been written, the truth is flat on your face... but u need validation from strangers?
 

denise80

Active Member
Everything u two quarrelled, he would usually be the one who cried first - this is another sign of emotional blackmail. A person who truly loves and cares for you will never use emotional blackmail as a tool to get what he wants. He's likely a selfish and calculative person.

I believe most of us here have given you a very clear reply or advice but ultimately, it's up to you to decide how early or fast you want to wake up from this nightmare. It took me 2 years when I could have ended it in half a year when I first realised all these negative flaws in my ex bf. Still, at least I got out of it. Sometimes human beings in life would simply not wake up until they are seriously hurt.
 

powder

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soisuka,

for some reason, it seems that this thing abt Men crying - Seems to always depict some sort of affection/sincerity/truly sorry state.

i have heard countless girls using "he cried", "we both cried together" and the like.... To sort of justify wrongdoings - blatant wrongdoings... and it sort of gives the guy a new clean slate, it wipes away all past misdeeds, and life is good again.

sometimes i wonder why... is there a link between tears and Honesty? and not just this... the one who cries first makes a difference?

i know some girls who use tears n cutesyness to get away with things... and i also know guys can get away wih some tears.

as for the whole thing, i guess u should realise that u are selling yourself short, and giving yourself too little on your self-worth. u're worth more than u think u're getting, and u should be abit more suspicious on his intentions If u are simply his anchor but not his ship to sail with.

your purpose to him could just be a Base, Longterm Stay, Investment for a future (well then again depends if he is local PR/Citizen). as far as Shared Life Together - it may not be in his plans.

1 more thing... u are ENGAGED to him? u had an engagement? this is a very impt question to determine the state of your denial.
 

soisuka

New Member
Powder, he's a PR.

To be frank, he is the first long term relationship I have had. I find myself trying to rationalize everything. I guess dun want to lose something potentially good just bcos of a gut feeling.

But some of the things he says when we're fighting generally makes me gasp. He's always say I'm the one to start the fights, which is true to a certain extent, like for instance, if he's back really late, I'll ask perhaps in a accusatory tone and somehow (i dunno how) it will become a fight.
And he'll always say if only we dun fight so much, it could be great. And that's not entirely wrong.

And I admit I have my flaws, I am quick to anger, impatient and I can be paranoid. And bcos I earn less, I feel bad that most of the financial burden for the future is on him. Like when he asked me how much I can contribute to a flat if we have one...I actually struggle to come up with an answer bcos I dunno. I am also reluctant to have a joint ac which he suggested bcos well...I'm just not comfortable. And all these are fair accusations. But I'm just lost as to why only when we fight does he bring them up? Say we're arguing about his ex and somehow we'll end up arguing about my reluctance to financially commit to the rs (i.e, not sharing tabs when dining out etc, I do once in a while pick up the tab, but he does most of the paying)

So I begin to wonder if perhaps I dun want to commit or bcos if I just dun feel secure enough to commit. Bcos he does most of the paying, so he gives more in that sense.

And sometimes when he just plains refuses to discuss it, walking away etc, or say something ridiculous, that's not even true. I literally lose it, like really lose it, I will scream and yell and call him names. And then he'll basically say I have no control over my own emotions. And then I begin to wonder if really I'm an emotional mess with anger management issues or is he just pushing all my buttons?

I speak to a few close friends about it, but I do sense their reluctance to advise a split. They basically listen and subtly hint that perhaps we shld postpone the wedding (which was never planned). I guess bcos he doesn't hang out w my frds, doesn't like to...so they feel its unfair to judge him based on what I say.

I guess I really 'figuratively' need a wake up slap in the face.....so thank you!
 

yesno333

Member
Trust me u r very good already....at least u willing to contribute to the house.....all the gals i know all they know is ask me buy house for them....lol

Walking out is the right way to go...><"
 

denise80

Active Member
yesno333, u just happened to attract the wrong women la...so working women contribute to house nowadays.

Soisuka, you're behaving just like me many years ago when I tried to justify why I should give that stupid relationship of mine more time and chances. I told myself that I was not perfect too blah blah...but do you know when you're with the RIGHT person, this right person will only bring out the BEST in you? With my hubby, my temper mellows down A LOT and I am more loving and giving as compared to my other relationships with other men.

It's very obvious that whenever you two quarrelled, he would bring up your flaws so as to put you down and make you feel bad. Are you really sure you want to continue with a person who is manipulative and blackmails you emotionally?
 

oneder

New Member
Yesno333 is targeting at these woman lah. So even a woman who wants to contribute to the house, he would say. NO!

Right?
 

powder

Active Member
so seems like u guys are together based on circumstances and your own weaknesses... rather than your strengths...

pretty sure that it can only get worse... especially after marriage... so whatever quarrel u're having now... u have to Double it and u'll know how much worse in future.
 

simpleman

Active Member
A real test of a relationship.

Just ask yourself, are you "Happy" when you are with him?

Or if you can't even answer this, make a simple log.

Everyday, if you are happy with him put a +, and - for not happy.

Do it for a few weeks and you know if there are more + than -.
 

simpleman

Active Member
denise,

"Crying first is emotional blackmail"?

I think you are pre-judging TS's SO. Everything he says is blackmail.

During quarrels, most couples will bring up old issues.. very common.. it is of course not a good thing.. but you mean TS did not bring up his "bad points" during quarrels?
 

denise80

Active Member
sm, then what do you think the cries from a man are for? True feelings?

You are right that I'm judging. Isn't this what the forum is for? Anyway I don't judge based on nothing. It was all based on what the TS wrote. Limited information nonetheless but I stand by my own opinions.
 

nbl

New Member
soisuka.. i've experienced part of what u described..

"He always say I'm the one to start the fights, which is true to a certain extent, like for instance, if he's back really late, I'll ask perhaps in a accusatory tone and somehow (i dunno how) it will become a fight.
And he'll always say if only we dun fight so much, it could be great."

i used to question myself, is it me? sometimes it'll just be me asking him something nicely, not even in an accusatory tone, n his response will make me upset n because of that we'd fight. i'd feel like i was to be blamed, that that's just his character n i needed to be more understanding. i'd be miserable and feeling lousy almost all the time..

have u talked it out with him? on ur insecurities and how miserable u've been feeling? what would his response be? marriage is a lifetime commitment.. u have to be careful and take the risk to walk away if need be..
 

simpleman

Active Member
Denise, Yes read what TS posted but also what was not posted before probing. Like when probed, she indicated that she probably started the "quarrel" as what her hb claimed. So read between the lines and more..

And the forum is for judging? I don't think so. I mean we can give our comments based on what was posted (and not posted) but not necessary to judge. You are just sweeping it "blackmail" when the trigger could be something else.

I mean, frankly which couples don't bring up the past faults when they quarrel? Does it automatically become "blackmail" to bring up the past. Granted it is not a great way to argue using the past, but in times of anger and rebuttal - that is natural - wrong but not necessary blackmail.

You mean also a man cannot have true feelings and cry? Crying = blackmail? Ok if that is your opinion but I would think that is an extreme view. So only woman can cry? and not equate as blackmail cos woman are emotional creatures?
 
if you don't feel secure about him in the past...chances are you are not going to feel the same about him in the future.
the tell tale signs about him cheating on you (be it emotionally or physically), isn't going to give you the security you required from him.
 

yesno333

Member
Both men and women can cry...whether it is crocodile tears or not only they knows....so i guess this is extremely subjective depending on who is crying and the situation they are in when they cry...><"
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
sm, in the context described by TS, I would agree that his tears are tools of emotional black mailing. Maybe not entirely, but doesn't seem like just tears of emotions frankly.

There is probably no simple right or wrong between couples disputes. The points you brought up are valid to highlight that there is no saint, both have their issues. Men also have tears, but what kind of guy will wail and cry at his partner every time there is a conflict? Either he is the very soft emotional drama type or more likely, he is using it because he know TS has a soft spot. Either way, better to dump him imho.

Women are much more known to use tears and emotions as a form of blackmail. Not that all tears are fake, but some women gets what they want this way.
 

simpleman

Active Member
Milo, I understand perfectly.. but just that the "emotional blackmail is two ways". TS mentioned that when they fought, most of the time he will cry first. And read also, she will also get angry and scream and yell and call him names - that is emotional abusing as well.

Frankly speaking in a relationship like this - both sides have tools and weapons to use. And yes, you are right, his crying may end the quarrel - isnt it a way to make up as well if it is effective?

Naturally it is not a healthy relationship to have it managed this way. But to just put the emotional blackmail on one party - given the information that we have - is not at all objective.

Men of course don't cry as easily as women. But that is not to say, when they cry - it has to be a tool and an emotional blackmail. Just too broad a generalization. Anyway, too much crying has a detrimental effect.. a man crying too much will lose its effectiveness.. the same applies to women as well although we all expect women to cry more..
 

denise80

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sm, when I said the forum is for judging, I meant to say that whenever we make a comment, we have formed our own judgements and this is only natural. If we do not have judgements, then we wouldn't have opinions or comments at all.

Yes, most couples bring up past faults when they quarrel but from what the TS described, it's clear that the 'past faults' her bf brought up are pretty irrelevant - a clear sign that it's his feeble attempt to make her feel guilty.

A man certainly can have true feelings but this man TS described to us gives me the creeps and is most likely trying to emotionally blackmail TS so that TS would give in. It's not an extreme view in my opinion since I've personally experienced a man like that. He's the only pathetic man who cried in public on his knees to blackmail me for a reconciliation. Creepy. And frankly, most women who cried too are trying to emotional blackmail their men as well. I didn't say only women can cry btw. I admit to using emotional blackmail at times during quarrels by trying my very best to shed a few pathetic tears. I'm less emotional than that in reality. Oopps..hubby reading haha...

sm, I didn't think TS is perfect but TS is obviously trying to psycho herself now that she's not perfect too and thus perhaps she should give her man a chance. My judgement from reading all these is, this man is not a good man to be with unless you think otherwise. Tell me, sm, do you think this man is a good man if he can scold 'ccb' when relating to his ex? Trust me, the moment TS becomes his ex, he'll do the same. A lousy man is a lousy man. No other explanation for this.
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
But to just put the emotional blackmail on one party - given the information that we have - is not at all objective.

I agree with your clarifications.
 

denise80

Active Member
Reflection? Of course TS needs to reflect.

She needs to reflect why she's attracted to this man in the first place. She then needs to reflect if she behaves like this in every relationship or it's only to this man. Most importantly, don't ever make the same mistake twice.
 

simpleman

Active Member
Denise, I am not saying TS's SO is a good man. In fact I think she should dump him. But that is because they have a lousy relationship. Yes, perhaps most of the blame could be shifted to TS's SO since he is not here.. but the mentioning about our SO's past is so common in quarrels.. I myself am guilty (although I told myself many times not to do that). Sometimes we would drag ex's of our SO, other times it could be their parents, or the fact that someone could have physically and mentally abused us.. I would think this is commonl human behaviour to bring up the faults of our SO's during quarrels.. Some of us can control but some of us cannot. Some will scream and shout vulgarities.. it may not mean much except that if it is happen in regular frequency - it may mean anger management issue.. or the relationship is bad to begin with..

When I talked about reflection - not only on why she was attracted to him.. more importantly her behaviour in triggering a response from him to start a quarrel or fight..

By the way, scolding ex CCB is meaningless. So we cannot scold our ex's CCB? I mean if you don't scold CCB at all and suddenly use it, then yes, it means a certain amount of hate. But for certain people, they would alwsys fucck or CCB - it could be quite common for them. May not mean much. Don't read too much into language used.
 

denise80

Active Member
Apart from the coarse language used, badmouthing our ex using such strong language somemore..does suggest something nasty about this person who uses it - my personal opinion. Maybe u are fine with a gf/wife who describes to you her ex as LJ man but not for me.
 

tomasulu

Member
You're really over complicating this. You've given this relationship sufficient time and many chances to prove your instinct wrong. And despite fortuitous circumstance and both making the effort to accommodate each other, you're still unhappy. And given that history has a habit of repeating itself it takes no genius to know you'll likely remain unhappy. So how does it matter who is right or wrong or who contributed more to this sad state of affair? Would it make you feel better if we just put it down to incompatible personalities? Jarring horoscopes maybe?

Fact is after all is said and done and said and done a few times over, you remain dissatisfied, unfulfilled and even disillusioned.

Stay if you're a masochist or if you're an eternal optimist. The rest of us know that life is so much better and simpler when we have found the one right for us.
 

soisuka

New Member
er...I thot the case is close already....anyway....

I jus wanted to say I dun think I am the better person in this rs, all I ever wanted is just that the love is real and sincere.

The real dealbreaker for me is this, that a day before you ask me back, you ask someone else the very same thing. Which BTW he has since said he was using me to get over her.

To sm, your comments seems to subtly suggest the bigger fault is mine. To the pt about emotional abuse, I am very sorry that I had yelled at him and yes it constitutes as abuse. But do you know invalidation of their feelings, manipulation, deliberately making someone lose it (i.e crazy making) is emotional abuse too?

Anyway, I have already decided so thank you all again for your comments
 

tomasulu

Member
Case is closed meaning you've broken up with him? Decided but haven't pulled the trigger? In the process of pulling the trigger?

I'm curious. This relationship sounds hellish and you're willing to suck it up for so long. Will strangers on a forum help you decide when the pain of such a dysfunctional relationship can't? Somehow I doubt it.
 

simpleman

Active Member
Soisuka, no I am not suggesting you have a greater fault. But I believe we all have a part to play in a relationship . It is easy to blame others but we can't change them easily. It is easier to know how we can change to be better person, perhaps for a better so in future.

It is quite meaningless to assign blame in a failed Relationship. Much better to move on and reflect and learn something from it.
 

simpleman

Active Member
Denise, seriously I don't care much what exs say or think about me. Whether LJ man or cb man, who cares. I won't be bothered by people who no longer are important to me.
 

denise80

Active Member
sm, you missed my point.

I meant I don't think much about a partner(current one, yes) who badmouths his/her ex gf/bf, not about what our ex said abt us.
 

simpleman

Active Member
Denise,

Let me put it this way.

1) You ever badmouth others in front of your hb?

2) you are more against the fact about the language used or the badmouthing itself.

If you never badmouth anyone, and you can't stand people to badmouth anyone - ok, this is your personal perogative.. but one that badmouth others may not necessary be a bad person that you set him out to be.

Now if you are concern about the language used - I have said - it depends on the type of language that this person is using normally. Fuxk may be disgusting to you.. but it may be normal to other people. It is your perogative to choose a partner that does not spout such words, but then again, it does not mean people saying such words are "bad person".

There is a difference. You don't like people to use vulgar language.. therefore people who use them - you equate to bad..

I too don't like people to use bad language.. but I try to understand the context and the usage.. and I don't necessary make judgement about the person who use such language.

I find a certain prejudice in you. People who don't share the same value or language usage - you will tend to prejudge them. You can form a personal opinion, but telling others that someone who is using CCB on EXs is not a good man to be with - I can't really see anything other than prejudice.
 

denise80

Active Member
Telling others that someone who uses CCB on their exs is not a good man to be with - this is my personal opinion. Wow, now we can't even share our personal opinions? You can disagree but that doesn't change my opinion. You have to admit that language does play an important part here in gaining ppl's respect. Just compare the following:

1. Well, we didn't get along because of a clash in personality.
versus
2. Wah lan...that CCB, whore, bitch, mutherfarking bitch (powder's favourite probably)...don't let me see her again..I wish she would get buang by car or something.

Now, tell me...will you fall in love with a partner who uses no. 2 language as compared to no. 1 language?

Of course, besides the language, the content of what they say is important. I dun badmouth certain ppl using such language to my hb...particular when referring to my in-laws, relatives, common friends etc. I tread carefully even though I'll still speak my mind. Mutual respect for one another's past, friends, relatives is very important for a long-term relationship. It's no wonder many marriages fail these days.
 

simpleman

Active Member
Denise,

I think you do have a problem understanding the difference between personal opinion and judgement.

We can offer personal opinion and that is how we see a situation. But a judgement is turning that opinion into a 'FACT'.

"Telling others that someone who uses CCB on their exs is not a good man to be with - this is my personal opinion."

Yes. Your personal opinion. But I think it is prejudice.

Look at what TS wrote: 'she thinks without her I will die ah, CCB..."

That "CCB" more as an emphasis and punctuation mark. He didnt hurl abuses as "CCB, whore, bitch, mutherfarking bitch". That is more a sign of exasperation and not wanting to talk about her than anything else.

But you just "highlighted the CCB" and concluded that he is not a good man to be with - and yes, if that is your personal opinion. My personal opinion is that you are prejudice to begin win.

I don't really want to get involved between what went between you and powder. At first I didn't understand powder's fury .. (I admit I did not read everything). But now I can understand more..
 

powder

Active Member
i have specifically told her to stay away from me as she has serious comprehension problems and seems over enthusiastic in chasing me around.

she calls her own 'opinions' and when it comes to pple she had run-ins with,, she would not deem them as opinions. that's the summary.

basically everything she can do, others can't. she's so deepseated in her own shit.
 

babystorm

Member
Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 10:11 am:       
A real test of a relationship.

Just ask yourself, are you "Happy" when you are with him?

Or if you can't even answer this, make a simple log.

Everyday, if you are happy with him put a +, and - for not happy.

Do it for a few weeks and you know if there are more + than -.

I heard this from a friend but not the 'jotting down' bit. I wish I have done this earlier in all my past relationships. Then I would realize there were more - than + so it's easier to walk away. Sometimes it's hard to pinpoint what exactly I'm unhappy about.
 

babystorm

Member
It's harder for guys to shed tears but my take is if a person who rarely cries.. Cried.. He/she should be feeling very down.

So easy to fake tears meh? Unless put eye drops lor. I, for one definitely cannot do it.
 

denise80

Active Member
sm, don't quote halfway ...the full sentence used by TS was 'she thinks without her I will die ah, CCB..." Again...dunno how to feel, first she's special now you hate her....

This expression ccb can be just coarse language of expression OR coarse language to refer the ex gf as ccb. Only the TS knows. You and I were just making our own judgments - now this is what I call judgments and there's nothing wrong with judgments.
 

vios

New Member
this chap is an outright manipulator (ie. to his ex-gf at the same time) .... so can't really take his affections or words for real. as for CCB - whether at ex-gf or out of frustrations - for me, it seems more like gaining sympathy than anything else.

coupled with the need for attention and random sexual requests to online strangers, confirm he is not the kind of guy whom any gal should even be with, let alone marry.

i think Soisuka hinted that she has awaken liao, so it's only good for her.
 


vios

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one thing to note - if Soisuka's with someone who needs to work late and is able to communicate effectively, the magnitude of her flaws would be lessen...

and also, i despite those who has a bone to pick just bcos they earn much more than their partners - like in this case, bringing up the issues of joint a/c and contributions to add up to their arguments.

super lame.
 

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