No Divorce for now, but no love either

depressedhubby

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I'm a no good SOB. In the 9 years of marriage with my wife, I've strayed once in the early years. I won't elaborate. But she confronted me after our first born child, when she found out. I've begged and she relented to stay together to work things out. Then things seemed to turn for the better, we went thru retrovaille and learnt communication techniques...but she also became more paranoid and insisted that I give up viewing porn as it leads to me straying. And being a guy, I found this hard to do. To me it was simple harmless porn, but to her it was infidelity. And she caught me at least 2 other times and we literally repeated the same begging/relenting episode.

Pretty fucked up eh? Anyway, we stuck together and had another beautiful child. With 2 kids in tow, my old skeletons came out of the closet again. ah, but it was not about temptations of the flesh. Rather, among the things we or rather she had insisted was me, to change my character, to stop swearig in front of the kids, so stop driving like a mad man, to show her more concern ... and the list goes on. The catalyst of our latest fallout came when I confronted her about a suspicion that I had about her having a fling and that was when everything was unloaded on me.

On how disappointed she has been with me for the last 9 years, on how I've broken her heart countless times and how many promises I've not kept to..so we really sat down and discussed divorce proceedings. I'm not prepared to be a part time father so I'm willing to let her have the kids. But she says that's not fair to them. Fucked up husband I may be, I'm a great dad. I've said, I won't do single parenting and am prepared to drop off the face of the earth, not literally, but to guise my death to the kids, so that they won't pine for me. I told her I was prepared to uproot myself from life in sg, society, family, friends etc. She said I was resorting to emotional blackmail. Maybe.

Anyway, she has said she will give me/us yet another chance to patch things up. But herein is my problem. She no longer wants to communicate, no counselling, zip. She just wants to let things ride and take their natural course. The thing that hurts the most for me is she saying she may not have any feelings for me anymore. In this period, I've tried to see if she is willing to talk and see how we can work together. And it blew up in my face. BEcause of work stress and all, she said I was too pushy and I shouldn't even attempt to do any of such things. And to just let things be.

Seems that Venus has become Mars. and vice versa. A woman that doesn't want to talk about it. And a man,here, that wants to.

Funny thing is, we are still physically intimate in bed. if you can call whatever we are doing making love. I feel that distance in spite of the physical closeness and touch. So I even asked her what's going on, and I got fed with the same wall of "let things be".

Its driving me crazy. I swing between euphoria and depression. My heart and mind are not in snyc. Hard to concentrate at work. I've tried to give in to her, she says we've stopped going to church, so I've made it a point now every sunday to go; I've consciously stopped swearing in front of the kids and even tempered my driving habits. But I concluded that I can no longer approach her to talk about us.

I wanted to bring us both away to get away from everything to see if we can get the sparks going, her retort was, if we are going away to talk about our marriage, she's not interested. so we are still going away on our 2-person vacation, just to chill.

Sometimes I feel that life in sg has caught up with us. she has a stressful work life, always bringing work home. and before this thing hit the ceiling, I introduced us to night trading on futures market to see if can be a possible outlet for spare cash. she's now taken it as a possible avenue to get out of her job. unfortunately she's not that good and can't quit yet. but the night trading has led to me sleeping alone without her in the weeknites, on weekends, she gets too tired to do anything else but sleep early too.

so between, not wanting to talk about us, devoting time to the kids, to her work, to trading...i don't think i even have an hour of her to myself. childish as it may be, I think the kids get more of her than me.

I've summed everything up in a poem
A state of limbo
Neither good nor bad
Not exactly forward nor backward
Trapped and unyielding in circumstance
Coerced emotions
Controlled Reactions
Incommunicado
Making Empty Love
Sleeping in an Empty Bed

what can I do
- to salvage the situation
- to maintain my sanity
 


I came across this letter, while in a daze at work today...found some resolve and salvation...it was written as a testimonial to some marriage counselling website.

My wife and I were deeply in love. I remember staying up all night talking, surprising each other with thoughtful gifts, and speaking to each other in code words. You know the feeling of really being connected? That was us.
But then something happened that destroys most marriages. We had a son who died when he was just one week old. And then we had twin daughters, who also died as newborns.
Your situation probably was not so tragic, but something happened. What was it? How did you lose each other? Or maybe you can't put your finger on why things aren't the same anymore. That's common too.

For us, after losing 3 children, everything felt different. Instead of talking all night, it was a chore to talk for a few minutes. Instead of using our code words, we used curse words. Our relationship consisted of screaming matches and silent treatments.
Somewhere deep in our heart though, like you, we knew we didn't want to lose each other. So we made a commitment to work on our marriage. Sometimes I tried and my wife didn't. Sometimes my wife tried and I didn't. Sometimes we tried together. We went through different stages of "trying."
What did we try?
We tried the obligatory, "Honey, let me repeat what you said to make sure I understood you correctly." We applied conflict resolution strategies. My wife learned about Mars and I learned about Venus. We even went to counseling to wrestle with our problems. But guess what. Nothing changed. Nothing worked.

Because all the advice we got (books, counselors...whatever) asked us to confront our problems. But that just made us feel worse. And fight more.

As long as the "right" way wasn't working, why not be dysfunctional? So we tried to convince each other of our way. You tried that too, right? Obviously, that doesn't work.

Finally, we had a breakthrough.

We decided to SET ASIDE OUR PROBLEMS. We didn't talk about them at all. We didn't bring them up even once. Instead, we put our energy into trying to connect. We used certain relationship techniques that transformed our marriage. Not only did we resolve our differences; we fell in love again! And we did it not by dealing with our problems (as serious as they were), but by establishing new relationship habits that brought positive energy to our marriage.
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This is the solution to most marital situations—to "step away" from your problems and spend your time and energy building your relationship through positive actions. If you do this RIGHT, your problems will dissipate, the threat of divorce will go away, and the other people invading your marriage will become irrelevant. Slowly but surely you will come closer together again.
Now you're probably wondering, “How do I stay away from the very problems that plague me? What healthy habits or relationship techniques can bring us closer together? And what if my spouse doesn't cooperate?â€
 
it's a sting in her heart.... she remember wat u did and cannot forget. though she can forgive u, she cannot cross the barrier within her. that's y she kept suspecting, being short-tempered about everything n stuff.

and right now, she's numbing herself.. to the extend that she dun have to tok much to u. juz let days goes by. she's tired of trying as much as she'd want to.

u r trying to hide wat u have previously, trying not to tok about it infront of her as to avoid any sadness, quarrels. she is trying to avoid it too. i guess wat u both need to do now is to tok about the main crux of issue. then from there onwards, u can re-connect.........
 
yeah, sometimes it sucks...

just stay put!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V1Lov1U9mU

"I've Seen It All"

I've seen it all, I have seen the trees,
I've seen the willow leaves dancing in the breeze
I've seen a man killed by his best friend,
And lives that were over before they were spent.
I've seen what I was - I know what I'll be
I've seen it all - there is no more to see!

You haven't seen elephants, kings or Peru!
I'm happy to say I had better to do
What about China? Have you seen the Great Wall?
All walls are great, if the roof doesn't fall!

And the man you will marry?
The home you will share?
To be honest, I really don't care...

You've never been to Niagara Falls?
I have seen water, its water, that's all...
The Eiffel Tower, the Empire State?
My pulse was as high on my very first date!
Your grandson's hand as he plays with your hair?
To be honest, I really don't care...

I've seen it all, I've seen the dark
I've seen the brightness in one little spark.
I've seen what I chose and I've seen what I need,
And that is enough, to want more would be greed.
I've seen what I was and I know what I'll be
I've seen it all - there is no more to see!

You've seen it all and all you have seen
You can always review on your own little screen
The light and the dark, the big and the small
Just keep in mind - you need no more at all
You've seen what you were and know what you'll be
You've seen it all - there is no more to see!
 
She does not want to talk about the "problem" and just let things be.

You have two choices:

a) Continue to this manner and you also bochap.. everything see more open.. and see how it goes.

b) Separate from her. It will either break you two up or it will wake you two up.. Could be better than a) even though more painful upfront.. at least not in limbo.
 
What actually made you created all these mess? Why do you want to get involved with other women when she's giving you so much as a wife? Really want to know all the reasons why you had done all the wrongs before we can understand your situation better.
 
She doesn't love you anymore
Either way, you still have to pay $ towards ur kids and wife. If I'm your wife, I'll divorce you and milk all your earnings.


Good luck
 
hoo hoo... @hoddioo, at least that's a conclusion, I know what's coming rite?

@littlewoman/flowerygal - of course there's grudges. I mean, there was an episode of infidelity, then several more of viewing pornography. So this latest outburst which doesn't have any transgressions of the flesh or virtual, must be the melting point.

@ rainbow4356, hang in there. bro/sis? I've got wide mood swings. She's just taking each day as it is. So I'm inclined to smother my own depression and just go with the flow. the latest bunch of holidays over CNY have been quite OK. nothing angsty, and we even have booked holidays together.
 
I suppose to clear things up a little. Allow me to list the bad things I had done to push her to this stage

(1) 2003 - first act of infidelity. no details. but have ceased all such activity ever since
(2) 2004-6, at least 3 times caught viewing porn. these blew over pretty quickly
(3) 2009 - my own over suspicious mind led me to confront her and it led to her unloading everything on me citing that ever since the first time I had not fulfiled my promises to her.
 
Drepressd man, sister here.

Glad to hear that CNY still turns out okable and u gg to go holidays too. Well, CNY still same for us. We try to behave "normally" in front of relatives, not to make them worry for us.

Trying to PM u (some questions to ask u in pte) but ur settings dun allow.
 
yo sis rainbow4536. soz abt the settings. have changed pref to allow for PMs. anyway sinking into another pithole of depression again. really WTFH, from a IT troubleshooting exercise it became a shouting match in the car. lets see if i can take it out on my staff LOL
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actually not tsunami, more like tiptoeing around medusa. one wrong move, her look will turn you to stone. and her many snakes will shoot venomous spit at you. turning into stone would be good. at least it renders me immune to all the barrage of hurt and words
 
depressed man now need a female consul, not man.

rainbow if you are a man, he may not eager to respond it. if you are a female, he will.

woman for man is like a cusion. when we, man bump into it , it will feel comfortable and fall a sleep like a baby.
 
hi depressed man, seems your partner has already given up hope trying.

u cannot force her. What yon can only do, is regain her confidence in you again. Without faith, she doesn't want to be hurt again. She is just as clueless on how things can improve. Take small steps without needing her to commit in anything. Don't do things with expectations. Without the expectations, there is no stress nor disappointment. One would be much easier to appreciate the positives this way.
 
yea... i reckon the feelings for u are still there. it's juz that ur wife has no idea how to approach and treat things as per normal like in the past.

it's not easy, juz take a step back n think. remember how u flare up when u thought she has a fling out there? and now the situation is u literally have got a fling previously. imagine how hurt she could be. putting urself in her shoe, try further to make things work. as long as there're effort being made, she'll soon make the move to build the relationship once again.
 

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