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japanese_doll

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Hi all,

been deeply troubled lately. I have a close guy friend 9 years my senior. He's divorced, and though we knew each other when he was married, we were not close and only became close friends after he divorced. I am now giving him emotional support for the hurt and anger he suffered during the marriage. He is nice to me and he trusts me alot. He has said that if he ever has the courage to love again, he'll ask me to be his girlfriend. But I have my insecurities, and this is where I hope everyone here can help. Cos I am simply lost.....

when he was still married, this guy and I were classmates in a graduate programme in NTU and he also knows afew of my friends in NTU. At that time, his then wife had given his HP number to one of my female friend who had just joined the graduate programme, as his wife was quite close to this female friend, and wanted her hubby to help her. This female friend is also married. So, my guy friend, who is a very friendly and helpful guy, met her in school over dinner (our classes are at night) and passed her some books. And he met her afew more times in school to pass her more materials, and most of the time, he initiated the meeting up and also asked her if she wanted to meet him for dinner in school. Problem is that, he never told his wife about the meeting for dinners, and they had a big quarrel over it. He then stopped meeting the girl. My question is, is my guy friend considered being unfaithful to his wife, by meeting the girl and asking her if they want to meet for dinner in school? Is he considered a flirt? Both of them are studying in the same school, and from what I know, other then meeting for dinner in school, they never met outside, and they never did anything else. Though this happened during his previous marraige, I am still feeling insecure, cos I am just afraid he'll do that to me too.

There is also another occassion, where I had asked him for a lift home on afew occasions. We were in the same class, and I was sick for a long period, and I could not stand the long journeys from NTU to Woodlands where my home is. He agreed, but only after telling me clearly that we should maintain platonic friendship and not go a step further. We never did at that time, and we always spoke about work, study, his kids, but NEVER any thing romantic or too personal. And, I found out again, that he did not tell his wife. Dear forumers, was what he did considered as being unfaithful to his wife at that time? Can this guy be trusted, or will he have an affair after we get together?

To give a better picture to everyone here, my guy friend is a very friendly guy, friendly to girls and guy. He has a childlike innocence, trusting people so quickly and so willing to help. But, at the same time, when he was married to his wife, he also has a deep sense of insecurity, and his then wife did not give him the love and attention he wanted. He loved his wife. He is an army regular, and he worked so hard for his children and wife, but his wife did not understand his work nature, and she was not a loving wife. Often, he stayed out of home just to avoid quarrels with his wife as she'll pick quarrels with him at home. She was unreasonable and from what I know from her friends, cared more for her kids then him. She refused him in the bedroom too (I'm too embarassed to elaborate bt I think u will know what I mean...)

He did not want to divorce her, cos he loved his kids and he felt to divorce his wife would be too extreme and cruel an act. Over the years, his love for his wife diminished, and what was left was only respect. He was soft hearted and had to bear his then wife's insults and neglect. But eventually, she was the one who brought up the issue of divorce, cos she finally realised that there was no more love between them...and also other issues like she being abit aggressive on him (but will nt elaborate cos I don't want to badmouth her....)

so fellow forumers, if u were me, would you accept him as your bf should he ask you to be his gf? Is this guy a good guy?

hope to hear good advice....
 


Jap_Doll,

Married men, who want to hook up a gal to be their 'mistress', always describe themselves as being mistreated by their wives to gain the gal's sympathy. We've read about your married friend's drama story on newspapers and forums so many times.

I'll definitely not accept this guy, simply because he is STILL MARRIED! He is not divorced yet no matter how bad his current wife is. If he is chasing you now, it is regarded as wanting to start an affair with you.

Please be careful and don't become a victim or 3rd party
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japanese_doll

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no, they have already divorced. those things happened when they were still married. so I will not be a 3rd party, not to worry.

so, green, if he is already divorced, should I accept him?
 
Jap_doll,

You can suggest him to give both of you more time to date first so that you can know him better. There's no hurry to accept him as bf immediately. I can see that you have doubts about him and don't have enough trust in him. If he truly loves you, he will give you the time you need.

Just my 2cents worth. It's really up to you to make the final decision.
 

japanese_doll

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green, I have difficulty in trusting men, cos my parents divorced and my dad abandoned us for another woman. and I am so afraid that this will happen to me and my future hubby too....

thanks, green, for the advice. will take it up....
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sgbabydoll

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Jap Doll

You are probably thinking too much since your male friend has said "...if he has the courage to love again", that clearly shows he does not have the courage to love a woman presently. Also, when he said this, it didn't sound as if it was based on reasons like he found you two to be compatible or that he is attracted to you. At the most, it was indication that he feels comfortable with you.

There is no hurry on your part to make any decision about him. Just enjoy the friendship for now.
 

japanese_doll

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Hi fellow doll,
perhaps I am thinking too much...have been thinking alot lately...and he always like me to sms him cos I tend to tell jokes via smses so I even do that secretly at work. I am at least happy he feels comfy with me...ok, I'll enjoy the friendship first!!
 

sgbabydoll

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To answer your question if I find your male friend a flirt - I don't think he is one from your description. Being married does not mean one can't have friends of the opposite gender. Also, under the circumstances where he had contact with his wife's gf and yourself during his marriage, they could not be considered as dating. So, he did not commit any acts of unfaithfulness against his then wife nor having behaved unreasonably.
 
Jap_Doll,
I used to be very cautious against r/s because of my broken family. But I overcame the fear after my uni. What happened to our parent's marriage does not dictate it will happen again to our future marriages. Don't be so negative on r/s
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Don't use 1 man from your past to pass dead sentence to all the men out there hehe.

As mentioned in my 1st post, you can just go out with the guy to know him better 1st. ;) See how things go...
 

powderful07

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Actually, I find it MORE SCARY that Jap_Doll is already INSECURE about the guy BEFORE the relationship even started...

How will things be if the 2 of them actually became an item?
Jap Doll...my advice for you is NOT TO QUESTION YOUR GUY FRIEND first...take a good look at yourself first before you even judge him...

Your post reeks of insecurity and doubts about the guy...and for what reasons?

The way I see it; the guy's actions seems ok for me...He's just behaving as a normal guy and not the flirt that you seems to be painting him out to be...Why are you even feeling so down??? When he didn't really seems like a bad guy and when you're NOT even in the relationship in the first time...

Case of thinking and worrying too much over a non-existent issue?
 
Powerful,
Your observations are valid. I think Jap_Doll has insecurity problem. She should overcome her fear about r/s first before embarking on any r/s no matter which guy it is. Insecurity can kill a r/s.
 

powderful07

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I find it funny that she seems to find any INACTION of a guy to report to his gf/wife on any normal activities with other female frens as an act of unfaithfulness...Does a guy even have the right to his social life after he gets attached?...and furthermore, she then link this actions to even more ridiculous theories on whether he can be trusted or whether he will have an affair IF they happen to be together later on...

I mena, WTF...What did that poor guy did to deserve such a treatment? What did he do wrong so far? Nothing! What actions did he did to court Jap Doll? Nothing! So in short, he's being subjected to this witch hunt for basically doing NOTHING...Is that even fair to him?

I know Jap Doll have security issues based on her growing up experience; but if that's the case. It SHOULD BE HER that need to change...not the guy...

If the guy had come across this thread, I'm sure he must have find it funny that some gal is questioning his integrity and character BEFORE he even started to court her...I'm sure he would have been freaked out and ran away before even the relationship even had a chance to start...and if this insecurity and lack of trust continues...guess how Jap Doll is going to end up later in her life???
 

sgbabydoll

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Jap Doll, I agree with Powderful, that you have underlying security issues which you should look into first. In fact, your issue is not small because you are already affected by his friendship with other women especially when you two are not even boy-girl-friends. You are already feeling down over a non-existing relationship and an unfounded issue, I cannot imagine how you would behave if you do get into a relationship. So, please, look into your own issue early.
 

japanese_doll

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Hi fellow doll, nope, I have never been in a relationship before. I have been told that I am idealistic about relationships at times.

Doll and Powderful, how should I deal with insecurity issues? read more books or make more guy friends. I have alot of female friends, but very few guy friends...

yesterday he asked me out and we went for a movie and dinner at my favourite restaurant...doll, green and powderful, I will just enjoy this friendship first....thanks alot!!

will deal with my insecurity problem...
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powderful07

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Jap Doll,

There's no hard and fast rules to overcome insecurity...
You're looking at a change in personality and honestly, this can't be changed overnight...

My take will be that you need to eliminate such negative thoughts about the relationship before it even had a chance to blossom as a first step.

Glad to know that you're giving it a try...just relax and enjoy it first...who knows, it might turn out better than you expected...and you might look back later to realise how silly you were in worrying over those issues that you mentioned earlier...

Maintain a positive mentality and try not to worry yourself too much over incidents that are beyond your control or have yet to happen...More often than not, people tend to get themself upset over things that are of no consequences; and for what? It only serves to make your life miserable and make you more withdrawn....

Saying that...you'll still need to make use of your judgement and common sense during the course of the relationship to judge the sincerity of this guy who you're going out with...Understand more of him and his character before you commit yourself fully into this relationship...

Try to be more open-minded and positive; you'll realise that once you acheived that...your insecurity problems will go away...

All the best...
 

vallous

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hi jap doll,

oh dear..you havent been in a r/s before and you have come from a troubled family r/s. I not sure abt this if i encourage you to go into this particular r/s.

I agree you must deal with your problem first before embarking any r/s.

With such a background, you are like taking a GIGANTIC step forward. But i not sure you can deal with it.

This man sounds ok to me. But he is divorced and with kids. There bound to be more problems than other guys as he has more responsibilities to look after. An ex wife who will always be there because the kids are the link between them. Can you handle it?

What i am trying to say is ..normal r/s you probably had difficulties handling, moroever with this man. You will encounter lots more problems if you are not prepared.
 

japanese_doll

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Hi Vallous,

my guy friend is an army guy, and what attracts me about him is that he is very strong, responsible, disciplined and he is very family oriented. But due to his work schedules, his often being away from home due to work commitments, his wife and him stopped communicating and she stopped loving him. I know his weaknesses, the constraints his job will bring and I know what I have to face should we ever go further. I know he will always have his kids, and the link that will always exist between him and his wife. I have thought about this, and the past weeks he had been telling me about his work nature, and also asking my opinion about what I will feel if we do get together and if I can accept being closer to his kids, etc. I have thought about all these, and the potential problems it can bring. I have thought about all these, and that's why I am bringing it out to ponder over it, and to think if I can handle it, and how I should handle it. But Vallous, if we do get together, I want to bravely go through it with him. I am not jealous type, but I know I am insecure. I am insecure that his ex wife may cause trouble, etc. But I will work on my problems. I may sound silly, but I think if I can think about the potential problems, forsee it, and then work on it, then maybe, things would be better....


Hi Powderful,you're right. I should banish such negative thoughts. will be more positive and enjoy my friendship with him. Like u said, I don't want to look back years later and then think I am so silly...
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....thanks for your advice, Powderful...they really sound v meaningful...will work on my insecurity!!
 

vallous

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its good work here japanese doll that you have seriously thought through all the worries.

In addition, military men are attractive all the while..but there are the dark side to them. They often have no time at all for their families. It is very common to understand why his wife left him. It might soon be tough on you. Why am i saying so..because my hubby is also an army personnel. You have totally no idea how irregular their timing are pal. When they have no time..they really mean NO TIME. You probably have to take care of the entire household and kids all by yourself. Being a step parent..its hard already..plus being full in charge.

The insecurity in you will pose a greater challenge in the future esp being with an army personnel. Even as normal ladies with spouses in the army we already developed insecurities along the yrs..yours will be ten fold tougher. I am not scaring you, but it takes a lot more than 'love forever' to hold on to a lasting r/s.

You are a brave girl. Stil the same advice, before you go for him, work on your insecurity issues first. good luck.
 

vallous

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oh plus..haha..its has been a funny reality check that once you have admired your partner on his traits will become those that you hate abt him.

yes he is strong, responsible and disciplined, family oriented. P.S: A person who is hard at work, is difficult to be family oriented. Strong, responsible and disciplined at work...but might be using the same sort of method at home..will soon put you off. "stubborness is the other word for discipline..you cant work on orders all the time..especially if you are talking with your wife or gf"

lol..just to share..
 

vallous

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"but I know I am insecure. I am insecure that his ex wife may cause trouble, etc."

you said you are worried that she might cause trouble...you see..it is impossible for her to disappear from the face of this earth after the divorce, she is still the MOTHER to your guy friend's children. That is why I am trying to say you must be prepared that she will forever to be there. SHe is the EX-Wifey.

Tats why i say you are brave. If i were you...i stay off limits to such men. Yup I am not brave.
 

sgbabydoll

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Jap Doll, besides his character and personality, you should find out how compatible you two are, especially in terms of values and life's goals.
 

sgbabydoll

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Vallous, have you been on a little exaggerated here talking as if wives of SAF personnel are all making huge sacrifices for their husband's career?
 

japanese_doll

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Hi Vallous, I have read your posts in another thread on SAF regulars before, so I know what u mean. I have known this guy before his divorce, and I have worked on school projects before with him, so I know what u mean when you say that their hours are irregular and that they really have no time. that is why I am actually disappointed with his wife cos I felt she should know how his work is like, esp since he was already an army regular before she married him (but this is another topic, don't want to bad mouth her, which I know is bad).

Vallous, because of his job, I want to be there for him. I know how tough an army job is. He has to often go overseas to train people, and he travels from camp to camp even in the course of one day. Because of that, what I like is to be there for him, whenever he needs me. I do adjust to his time, and I am ok with it. Because of his career, he really needs a support of an understanding wife. Because of the toughness at work that he faces as an army personnel, he needs the soft and loving care of an understanding woman....

Hi doll, I can understand what Vallous means. Really, SAF wives do have to make sacrifices...Maybe not all, but at least some are....thanks for the advice...will know him better to assess our compatibility too.
 

powderful07

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Gals...the way you said it...

It's like guys working in the commercial working environment don't have to travel overseas, move around during the day, work late, irregular hours and all that stuff...

Come on...the world outside Army life isn't the bed of roses that you think it is...
If it's anything to compare...Commercial world is a more stressful environment to work in...

Do you really think wives of such guys are better off than wives of SAF regulars?
 

sgbabydoll

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Vallous, Jap Doll - The way you have described an SAF career it is as if commercial careers are easy money. Hey, you ought to look around, there are many jobs that are more demanding than a job with the SAF. Notwithstanding doctors, lawyers, lecturers, accountants, there are also people in the hotel and retail industries who have to put in long hours.

Jap Doll, your friends are not too far off to say that you are idealistic about relationship! Just being honest here.
 

powder

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actually i got alot of things to say, but it's not easy for me to say...

i'm just gonna put it very politically correctly... without any cute biscuits to offer... - teachers are way busier than the army dudes.
 

sgbabydoll

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Jap Doll, do you know why people say you are idealistic about relationship? Your talk about making sacrifices for your bf and being there for him, etc, is very one-way. If you don't take, you will soon find yourself having nothing to give.
 

simpleman

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so funny leh..

she talked as if she is like the wife or at least gf.. taking care of her "man"..

But are they in a relationship already???

Oh.. by the way, my job is the easier in the world.. but I really like to go on reservist.. because it means that I am even more "relex" than ever.. too bad the army don't need more anymore..
 

powder

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Jap Doll,

be careful there... u're making him sound like Mother Theresa in his job... are u in love with him or u're in love with the concept of being there for him? there's a huge difference... i dun mean to burst your bubble but being in love isn't abt admiring someone for something u do not know abt...

and if his wife is the monster in your eyes, u prob have to realign and have a reality check. u ought to always take things with a pinch of salt, cos at the other side of the spectrum, he could actually be making a whole of of excuses to his wife. whilst there's no reason to doubt him, u should be wary if your mind paints such a perfect picture...

i used to travel from camp to camp... i can't wait to do tat cos i have a driver in the army. i can sleep behind whilst he drives... and driving out of camp - u get to eat outside food. it's one of the best things if u're in the army... to be out of camp. going overseas also not a chore, in fact u get some really great R&amp;R time off. taiwan is really great!

maybe it's the army advertisements, maybe it's too much war movies... i dun know, i only know it's not that bad. i had more time in the army than in any other jobs i have taken up... especially when u're an officer. the only bad thing is writing papers... i had more time to smoke, more time to eat, more time rest. and when the day is over, it's over. u won't have clients calling u up at 9pm, u won't have colleagues calling u up at 1am sat nites, u'll not be on standby 24/7 to solve problems 24/7 and make decisions in 5mins. decisions u make are not real Life/Death, compared with decisions u make in the office which could mean i have to sack my subodinates or terminate their contracts. in army i dun have to worry abt getting paid nor paying bills... in real life i Have To. in military everything i do or say - i'm accountable solely for it... in the real world - my whole office might have to account for it and lose their jobs, have their family well-being compromised.

i have seen both sides of the spectrum... often i want to post on the saf regular thread, but often i refrain... i have peers in there whom i have alot of respect and love for... but it doesn't mean i'm gonna glorify the job they do and make mine look smaller. i'll tell u this as a personal opinion - the most under-utilised times/hours of my life was in there, and still is in there. most men who have been in there would agree with my opinion... of cos, there are some who are doing fantastic work... but let's not make it out to be some huge sacrifice. we're all working to provde a better life for our families... where we work is our choice. as much as the finances we're paid for it. there's a reason some jobs pay more... due to the sacrifices Expected of u... u can't take the same expectations which u're Already paid for... and expect even more returns from it. like being glorified...
 

sgbabydoll

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"Hi Doll, what should I do then? In general, for relationships, does it mean I will have to wait for him to give me sacrifices too?"

Hi Jap Doll, love is NOT just about making sacrifices for each other. Sacrifices are not necessarily acts of love. Have you watched too much Korean dramas?
 

japanese_doll

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Hi Powder, thanks for the info. my guy friend's job involves training others, so it can be tough. thanks for giving a different perspective of army life. will get to know him better...

Hi Doll, I know. Love also includes accepting another person's weakness, accepting his faults, and being able to accept his outlook on life, views, etc. Love is not only about feelings, but your life together too..

to all: thanks for your frank advice. it made me realise my weaknesses. Will work on them. tonight will be gg out with him again. Definetely this time, I will be looking at our relationship from a new angle....
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sgbabydoll

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"Hi Doll, I know. Love also includes accepting another person's weakness, accepting his faults, and being able to accept his outlook on life, views, etc. Love is not only about feelings, but your life together too.."

Jap Doll, to me, you sound self-deprecating and overly giving of yourself. Do you know what shaped your views?
 

japanese_doll

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yes, my family background. Though my parents divorced, and my dad left my family, I was not happy with my mum as she did not give me love like a family would. Thus, I "seek" love from outside. And I do give alot to others too, including female friends, classmates, etc. I tend to give alot...
 

japanese_doll

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not in that sense. I tend to give alot cos I can't give my love to my mum. she rejects me whenever I want to do something good, even for CNY. And I don't have any siblings to love. So I "shift" my attention to my friends, by showing them concern, giving them support, the way I would like to show my mum this concern. If they give me back some love, and if it is sincere, yes, I will appreciate it. but I do nt go out searching for love, cos I know this will only hurt me, and I dun want to get hurt.
 

powderful07

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Jap Doll...

You seriously need to review your actions. You're going to suffer in the long run if you ran into people who wants to take advantage of you.

Like what I have mentioned...yes, you might be who you are today becos of your background and experience growing up...

But you need to understand that you need to leave these unpleasant experiences behind and embark on a new chapter of your life where you need to learn how to be more positive and more focused on your own well being instead of others...

Being kind and good to others is a virtue...but you need to LOOK AFTER YOURSELF too...

Take this opportunity with this new guy in your life to start these changes...Learn to take care of yourself for a change...
 

japanese_doll

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Hi powerful, thanks alot. will definetely follow your advice. since young I had no one to look up to or to advice me. Sorry if I sound stupid, but when you said to take this opportunity with this new guy to start these changes, do u mean to change myself in my relationship with him? and to take care more of myself, and not keep thinking about sacrificing for him, etc?
 

simpleman

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japanese doll,

By the way, trainers (army guys who trained other people) have probably the best and easiest job in the army.

The toughest ones are those in combat units - the worst lot are the infantries.. so if you wanna curse, it is the infantry soldiers in the combat until that will curse..

Trainers? ha ha I give up my job to be a trainer anytime..
 

sgbabydoll

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Jap Doll, I am not saying that your male friend will definitely take advantage of you, but I think you have to work on your self-esteem for your own good. You are what you are. Don't let how others respond toward you determine what your self-worth is.
 

powderful07

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My advice is to put more priority on your own well being for a change...

Sacrificing for someone you love is noble...but you still need to know if it's a sacrifice that is WORTHY...I have seen enought women blinded by so-called "love" here in this forum to be a little cynical...
Given your tendency to be more of a giver than a taker; I'm just worried that in the heat of the moment during the relationship, you would have overcommit yourself...if the relationship turns out well, then congrats to you...but if the relationship turns sour; it might scarred you mentally for life...and that is a scenario I hope you would not have to go through...

So take your time to evaluate your relationship with this guy...don't go jump into the deep end right from the start...and let the guy take care of you for a change...

Afterall, if he's the nice guy that you make him out to be...he would do that, wouldn't he?
 

japanese_doll

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Hi Powderful and Doll,
thanks alot for your well meaning advice. I know what to do now. Communicating with you guys really made me learnt alot today. Yes, since he's a nice guy then he should take care of me.
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will not be able to come to the forum for the next two days. But if u have further advice for me, I will reply on Thurs.

take care and have a great week ahead!!
 

simpleman

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powderful,

first time I see people thanking you for your well-meaning advice..

keep it up..

U got cute biscuit to pass around?
 

powderful07

New Member
Eh SM...

Bleddy hell...so surprising meh?
To see me giving out good advice...

I do have my inspired moments if I'm in the mood and if I don't encountered idiots...

No cute biscuit hor (got people complain we gang up liao, you still not scare arh!)

But I can peel prawn for you...
 


latino

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honestly powderful, your post of 6.39pm make alot of sense. suddenly you seem kinder than normal... lol
 

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