Ignorant Gal Seeking Advice

wonderingaloud

New Member
I met my current bf in university and is his second gf. We have been happily attached for four years until another woman appeared in our lives. This lady was his boss who started to be very "friendly" towards him and kept giving him pet names and even asked if he had a gf. My bf chose not to answer as he knew that she was interested in him and was supposedly afraid of backlash according to him.

This woman is a lot prettier than me, and can relate better to my bf as both of them speak the same dialect (yes i am dating a non-singaporean). Apparently they have been chatting a lot in office for about 2 months before my bf finally told me about her existence. Right after that, I sensed that he might have some feelings for her too, and being insecure, for the first time in my life, I actually insisted that we speak about marriage and plans for the future. My bf blew up and said that he hadn't even considered marriage yet as we are too young (by the way, he is 27 and I am 26). The next few days, he started to act weird and distance himself from me, and said that he needed space to consider our relationship.

Things went downhill since then. He started staying later and later in the office, and refused to hug me or speak to me as much as he used to, claiming that he needed time to think about the situation. He insisted that there was no third party and that his action was not the result of his female boss' advances. Being naive, I chose to believe him but became upset and agitated when he told me a few weeks later that I am not the woman he loves the most, and thanked me for the four years we spent together. He encouraged me to move on and give myself the opportunity to know other guys out there, and told me that he no longer loves me.

And two weeks after this, he confessed that he has found someone better that he can relate to (which needless to say, was his female boss). All this while, I came to know that he was constantly smsing, emailing and calling her while hanging up on my calls and refusing to reply to my emails. To complicate the situation, I was in a foreign land with him with no other friends to turn to as we had both decided to go overseas to build our careers. I fell into a depression, cried for nights, begged him to give us a chance to rebuild the relationship, but he told me to basically get lost and take my antidepressants and stop bugging him.

So I did just that - my heart basically died and I started making plans for myself. Three weeks later, out of the blue, he asked me out again and wanted to bury the hatchet with me. At first, I was elated and thought that my man had finally decided that he loved me more. However, the sad truth was that this girl was a player who subsequently lost interest in my bf and decided to move on and hit on other men instead.

My bf came back to me and insisted that nothing physical had happened between them. He said that there was nothing between the both of them, and yes perhaps he might have crossed the line but the most important thing was that he realised that I am the most important person to him. Yet I found out that when he got back together with me again , he actually bought things for the other woman. My hunch tells me that he wanted to make amends (apparently he had shouted at her which might have been the reason why she lost interest in him) with the other party. At the same time, two months after getting back together, I inadvertently saw his email to a friend which stated that he still has not gotten over her yet (presumably because he felt cheated and made use of by the other lady).

So we have been back together for a few months, even closer than before as we spend more time together and make more of an effort in communicating. However, the more I step back and assess the situation, and reading the pearls of wisdom dispensed by powder and the other forum regulars here, the more I begin to question if he is the right man for me. He delights in the fact that there was another lady fawning over him, but yet he tells me that he realises that I am the best out there as the other women who are still single at this age are probably problematic (obviously alluding to his boss). He says he will marry me, but he needs time to mature and get his finances in order. When I ask how long that would take, he is hesitant to give a specific timeframe.

My deepest fears are as follows:

1) That he has not seen enough of the world out there, and that as we grow older and know more people, he would have a tendency to stray again later in life when he realises that "not all women are as bad as he made them out to be" and that "it is important to have someone who can relate better to him (i.e. speak his dialect)"

2) That he has lied to me once before and was so cruel, that I may not actually understand him as well as I thought I did

I voiced my concerns but he told me that we should put this episode behind us and move on, especially since this third party was somewhat a blessing in disguise as it made us treasure each other even more (I would agree this was particularly true for me as I never knew how much I loved him until I lost him, although I am not sure if this was the case for him). I have actually entertained thoughts of breaking up with him but I am not sure if this is the best decision to make at this point.

I would appreciate it a lot if some of you, having been through a lot more than I have, could share with me your experiences and advise me on how to best handle this. Should I give up since alarming bells are ringing or should I give him a second chance? How do I tell if he is sincere about his mistake?

Thanks a lot.
 


wjchiang

Member
catch22

Before u address your fears about HIM, ask yourself, have YOU seen enough of the world out there? do u really know what YOU need in a partner? what are the things that are important to u in YOUR life?

By detaching yourself from the environment which will cloud your objectivity, u will probably be more honest with yourself and find the answers u seek.
 

saggitarian

New Member
so the dog drop the bone into the river and decide to go back and be loyal to his previous owner again....

who taught him to bit the hand who feeds him in the first place...

from wat i see .. u know wat u are doing . u jus need some support and confirmation from ppl to push thru ur decision ..
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
Maybe he really learn his lesson. MAYBE....
but stop thinking for him.

Think for yourself. Are you sure you want a future with him? Take this risk only if you absolutely certain and willing to accept the clear risk. It is always a gamble. But, you need to see at what odds and risk. Would you bet for Chelsea to lose to Wigan 3-1. We normally invest small on risky bets and place more on safer ones to get the balance.

So, why not give yourself more time and options? As Junkie put it, he isn't the only man on earth.
 

findingnemo

New Member
Please think carefully. Did he come back because he found that he loves you more or because he got dumped by the other woman?

You may feel that you cannot do w/o him simply because you are at a foreign land and you need some familiar hand to hold on to.
 

cuclainne

New Member
catch22, i wonder why your ex-bf couldn't tell her honestly that he was with you before. what backlash were you referring to - if there is any backlash for being honest, then it's unprofessional conduct!!
 

tweetwee

New Member
Maybe I am a narrow minded person, but I would not have forgiven him so easily. He was tempted by another and his love for you is not as strong nor deep enough to help him withstand the temptation. Besides, you know why he left her, not because he realised that he loves you but because he was ditched. I used to date someone who says he would take years and even decades to get over our relationship, and just 4 months later, I saw him behaving intimately with another gal in public and also heard from friends that he kissed another 3 days after our breakup. Hard to swallow at that point but I am glad I saw it with my own eyes. It gave me the closure I needed to walk away from his lies forever.

Life is short, so don't short change yourself. Ask yourself if you can see happiness in the long run with him or you would always be haunted by his betrayal. Maybe it is tough for you to leave him now but it might open doors to another who will cherish you and do not take you for granted.

Do take care, catch22.
 

lovingyou

New Member
catch22: only actions can prove if the person realli am being sincere to amending the r/s. Step back and kept your observation. It is not healthy to be making long term plans at this point in time.
 

alcifertoh

New Member
I just feel that you are taken like a safety harbor. A reserve. And now is definitely not the time to talk about marriage. Everything has to reset from ground zero if you are considering of carrying on with him.
 

4ever_love

New Member
Catch22,

Your story is very similar to mine.

Let me share with you my story here.

Last week, I just broke up with my bf of 4.5years. He and his colleague have been secretly dating for 1.5year.

2years ago he betrayed me once but he insisted is only just flirting and nothing much. I want to breakup with him at that time but he keep use his life to threaten me and said how much he love me and can't live without me. So decide to give him a chance.

Initally, my ex lied to his female colleague "AA" that he already breakup with me. N AA went into relationship with him, after months he later told AA that he patched back with me but AA refused to leave him. AA know my presence all these while but she just let my ex be with me. I was kept in the dark for 1.5yr.

My 6th sense told me that something is wrong about my bf but whenever I want meetup with him, he is always available cause AA will let him be with me. He even dare to swear in front of god that he do not have gal outside.

Before he told me that he got 3rd party, I already asked for breakup but he refused to let me go and keep mention that he can't live without me. Until constant questioning then he finally admitted outside got other gal. When I know about it, my heart is dishearted and I insisted breakup. He still have the cheek to tell me that he is at a loss can't decide who he want. End up I insisted the breakup since he can't make the decision.

After which, I met up with AA and was totally shocked all those things that she told me about my ex. My ex didnt just flirt with many gals but bed with alot of gals. A lot of gals lose their viriginity to him including AA. And in between this 1.5yr my ex also flirted with a married woman and got caught by AA for cheating.

My ex is my 1st bf. I am utterly shocked why in this earth got such guy and a gal like AA who still assist him to do all bad deeds.

Now it very hard for me to have faith in guy. I was crying very badly, can't sleep and can't eat since last week.

Can anyone share their experience how do they get over a breakup?
 

canbear

New Member
catch22,

dun be silly.

I will just comment based on the info you've provided.

Your bf is a weak jerk that has a hungry dick who will likely dump you again.

Men have a way to rationalize and play with women's feelings. He is such a coward who crawled back to you when he got rejected. Had his lady boss accepted him, you would have been an absolute nobody to him now. What bury the hatchet and all that nonsense? Craps.

Just a question: Do you have an inferiority complex? Or think you can't find another bf if you dump this present jerk? Or is there something in him that you want and refuse to let go?
 

wonderingaloud

New Member
Thanks for all your replies

David, to your questions:

Yes I do have an inferiority complex

And yes I do think that I cannot find another bf if I dump him

And yes, I miss the good times we had together, and he does make me happy

And yes, I am aware that feeling inferior and not having the courage to walk away at 26 years old will only cause me more heartache in future.

And Milo, I agree with your views on risk management.

I know all of these points, but at the same time, I don't have the courage to walk away. I can't just pack up my bags and leave because I need to consider my career as well. The job prospect in Singapore is bleak right now, and I have just started a new job. Can't possibly leave after a few months and come back to Singapore.

I am looking for strength within to end the r/s. I am the typical sg gal, tagging along with the herd and feeling the pressure to settle down even though my loved ones have told me that it's better not to get married at all than to settle for someone who is not the right one.

Coincidentally it was broadcast on the news yesterday that the divorce rate in Sg has increased to 31%.
 

susanna_low

New Member
Do you really believe that there was nothing physical between them? Is he being honest?

The fact that he change faster than the weather for a 2 weeks fling is extremely scary.

Are u prepared to take the same blow for the 2nd time if he find someone better?
 

powder

Active Member
catch22,

u're not ignorant, That i can tell u... u just choose to be blind. although your eyesight isn't good, u can still see... do u really seek to have clearer vision? cos sometimes with clearer vision, u cannot claim to be blurred anymore...

there is something here that would help u see clearer... problem is once u know it, u might not be better off... If u wish to have this vision, then read on. Else it's really better to stay a little ignorant becos it might preserve the innocence for u to enjoy the Highs n Lows in relationships... so stop reading if u dun wanna know.




Two things here that may have escaped your thoughts...
1. Your instinctive reaction - "and being insecure, for the first time in my life, I actually insisted that we speak about marriage and plans for the future." - What does it tell u about u?

2. His instinctive reaction - "My bf blew up and said that he hadn't even considered marriage yet as we are too young (by the way, he is 27 and I am 26). The next few days, he started to act weird and distance himself from me, and said that he needed space to consider our relationship." - what does it tell u abt him?

the answers u seek does not lie in him coming n going nor staying. it does not lie in whether u fantasize abt him staying and being with u... it lies in both your immediate natural reaction to situations that has occured.

if u believe there will be girls where his first reaction would not be how he reacted to u... if u believe your first reaction to another guy would not be the same as this guy... then Why did either of u react the way u did?

your affection for him may be genuine and u Might genuinely wanna be with him, but tat does not make him the perfect partner nor companion. as for his instinctive reaction to u... it is pretty obvious u do not even lie as his 2nd choice - he will leave again, and again, and again. he just needs someone remotely better n more interesting. Whether he comes back or not - isn't important... a dog tat returns does not make it loyal, it could simply mean it's hungry and unable to find food outside.

u can try to hold on if u're willing to swap a truly meaningful relationship for simply an extended presence of a namesake bfren...

ignorance is unconscious bliss.
 

4ever_love

New Member
Hi Catch22,

Ending may not be a bad thing. After reading so many peoples experience here and from my friends, I really think that I made a right decision to dump him. Cause I know deep in my heart that I would not have happiness with him. Breakup first 3days are the most terrible days in my life to go though it. Despite being hurted so badly, I still have to drag myself to work and put a brave front infront of others.

If your current bf is a jerk, mine is even worse. If I can move on so can you. Just treat this as an investment and not all investment got good return. Some investement is expected return just that we chosen to be blind. We should be gald that we can see their true self before we marry with them. You know during April this year, my ex even ask me to apply flat with him and if that time I really went to apply flat I think now I will be even worse.

Breakup and meet jerk are just an experience in life. Some peoples are more lucky to manage to find the right and good one but some of us will just have to walk this path to grow up. Although now everywhere I goes I can see our memories but I told myself that time can fade all these.

Show to your bf that without him you can also survive and survive even better.
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
Catch22,

u must not forget that time is life. Your youth is wasting away as your risk it all with this man AGAIN.

When u weigh your odds. You need to consider this expensive cost.
 

jiening

Member
Catch22, if i were you, i will choose to just let everything go. i think being in a foreign land plays a big part in stopping you from letting the r/s go.

i used to be with a jerk. long story short, after i broke up with him, we had a trip with our school to another country. we became quite close again during that period, but it was just because we were in a foreign land and it caused certain feelings to amplify.

imagine yourself back in sg. perhaps things will turn out differently. you may have more courage to break off cleanly with him.

if i were you, i'll choose to leave too. the fact is that, he cheated on you. and you shouldn't have forgive him so easily.

since you are working there, your world doesnt only revolve around him. hang out more with your colleagues and meet more people if you can.

give yourself a chance. and give him some time to think about it. just how clearly had he thought through when he just return to you immediately after he was dumped? let him think through, and make it clear to him that you are giving yourself a chance to move on (which is what he wanted you to do in the first place).

if he is truly remorseful, he will put in much more effort to bringing you back and make this relationship work again in the future. if he is not, then you've saved yourself from another potential heartbreak.
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btw, the proudest thing i've done for myself in this lifetime up till now is to leave that jerk (whom i thought i couldnt live without).
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mrs_beast

New Member
catch22, don waste time with this man, as you can see fm the advice, this man is only looking for a 'spare tyre'. He know you won leave him ,, so he just keep toying with yr feelings. Don look down on yrself, I believe you will find someone better than him, have more trust in yourself. I find you a rational person, just that you choose to ' blind' yourself.
 

tangmusi

New Member
actually things can be resolve if both of you gives each other a chance to love each other again.

because i have almost the same(90%)story as you.
Don't feel like elaborating here. but now, we are both married and living happily together.
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decided on urself whether is he worth you the time and effort to love him once more.
 

lovingyou

New Member
It takes both efforts and hands to clap for anything/everything to take place.. what is important is most parties are clear of what is happening and what they want eventually.
 

denise80

Active Member
Catch-22,
I was in a similar situation as you a few years back. Was with this banker for 2 years. Though till today, I don't really know if he had cheated behind my back, he also ended the relationship with me abruptly and without a reason. Alright, there was a reason. Like your case, he said he had no feelings for me anymore and he cried when he said he's not physically attracted to me too (I haven't changed a thing in appearance since we got together in fact). Needless to say, I was also devastated. We were discussing marriage plans then though nothing concrete transpired. Like you, I was really afraid of starting all over again with someone new and my self-confidence took a plunge. How could one not feel inferior if someone you loved told you that he's not physically attracted to you anymore?

Anyway, I just want to encourage you. Of course, I cried for many sleepless nights and wrote long blogs (to myself only) on how I felt etc. But gradually, instead of wallowing in self-pity, I took out a piece of paper and wrote down every single flaw of his. It really helped that he's an unkind person to old people and is generally money-minded and critical. And after listing down at least 10 big flaws of his, I crushed that stoopid piece of paper and threw it away. Thereafter, I dated many guys at one go...no, not cheapening myself but instead, to really explore the type of men I really like and who will be most suitable for me. I was so glad I did that. Of the three men I've dated, I finally tied the knot with one and that's my current hubby.
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) The best part was, like your ex, my ex came back for me after 3 good months. He cried over the phone, saying that he missed me blah blah...and that he didn't call earlier due to his big ego after the breakup. That time, despite having three suitors (including my current hubby), I almost wanted to give in to his pleas and patched back with him. Fortunately, I'm not the type who usually looks back. I told him sorry and he started asking if there was this '3rd' person. What a joke. We'd broken up then and he was the one who initiated it...so I wonder who's the 3rd person really. Good thing after three months, I've already moved on and therefore I was able to say no.

Anyway, if not for my ex who wanted a break-up then, I wouldn't know I could deserve better! I really thank him for it!!! Because if he had not initiated a breakup, I think I would still be with him and wouldn't know what is true happiness!

To quote shakespeare, "The course of true love never did run smooth" but trust me, with time and better judgement that comes with experience (no doubt they're painful experiences), you'll meet someone you truly love. I had 7 failed relationships, even one with someone of the same gender because at one point of time, I gave up on men! So if I can find my happiness, so can you!
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