Help! Marriage treading on a thin red line.

simpleman

Active Member
lost,

Your wife CANNOT change the child's surname without your consent.

And she CANNOT stop you from seeing your child.

At the very most she will get sole custody (when you decide not to fight for custody but) but you will get visitation rights.

Mostly, if you want, you can ask for joint custody and your wife may have care and control of their daily lives but you still have a say in their education, upbringing .. etc etc

Don't have to quarrel with her over this. Let the court decide.
 


depressed_guy

New Member
Thanks Avante/miloice,

I have to agree that woman....once have a change of heart.....can be very ruthless and scary.

Powder,

Thanks for your sound advice throughout the whole thread. It certainly sets me thinking and pondering over actions & consequences.

Despite moving ahead in my own path. I still gotta keep a guard on coz i know my wife is those vengeful type and she would do anything to see the person suffer.....even if its gonna cost her the same suffering.

My only goal now is to better myself so i can provide for my kids' necessity putting aside my wife.

Started blogging through all the incident that happened to my life so far.....it seems so much like a drama....and i'm not sure if there's anymore thing too tough to face in the future after going through all these.

http://ivanooijianming.spaces.live.com

This thread is and will be a good reflection for myself in the path ahead to remind me of my direction to go.
 

powder

Active Member
hey dude,

dun get lost in emotions... DUN. dun allow yourself to go all feely feely over things... it has never helped and will never help. pple stay longer in the problems becos they are encouraged by emotions. some spend their ENTIRE lives living the emotions...

lastly, dun get stuck in generic conclusions... your life is yours to shape.
 

simpleman

Active Member
lost,

It is not easy but let me tell you, with time and the right attitude, everything can be be solved.

My wife too was unreasonable but I never dwell on that. I just focus on what I want.

My advice is not to engage in any arguments with her. If you are angry, walk away. Don't confront her. Let things be. Time will prove everything.

If you need to talk to someone, you can PM me or email me.
 

simpleman

Active Member
lost,

having a blog to write about your feelings and emotions is good for some people provided you don't dwell too long on it. The feeling of being lost and miserable is understandable. You need to grieve but don't dwell too much on your sufferings.

take it as a much needed boost to change your lives - and you never know what has life to offer now as you may gain new perspective.

I have also blogged and it has helped me. After 2 months I moved on to another blog to start a new beginning.

As long as you remain positive in the face of adversity, nothing is too great for us to overcome.
 

depressed_guy

New Member
Hi powder,

Emotions are something hard to handle. I admit there are certain times when i felt so empty that it devours me. But now finding the strength to lessen the emotional strain.

Thanks simpleman

Its a place where i let go some emotional closure. I'll just want to fill it up then prolly give it a closure to this chapter of my life and start a new one....
 

powder

Active Member
bro,

just know this - once u muster how to handle your emotions - u muster how to handle Life... pple who can handle their emotions tend to be more successful in life than those who can't. Successful covers a wide range from human relationships to career to buying/selling etc etc...

there's a stronger reason for u to conquer yourself in this, than for u to rebutt your wife. 1 is for the marathon, the other for the sprint. dun be lost in sprints...
 

depressed_guy

New Member
Ya powder,

We all know emotion mastery is one key to success......but to master it means to master one self.

Emotion is a burden always unless one turns ruthless or have no feeling. No matter how deep your mastery can be, somehow there will still be a leaking point of emotion as we're not robots.
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miloice

Well-Known Member
Lost,

I don't think mastering one's emotion mean becoming unfeeling or ruthless.

Being about to cope with our emotions simply means no matter how emotional we an get, we continue to be positive. That is not allowing the situation control us but instead, us in control always regardless of the circumstances.

In fact, I would advise you against the idea of trying to be unfeeling. We can hide from everyone else but ourselves. The more we denial our true emotions, the more we are suffering inside. Sooner or later, it will burst. By then, it will be really difficult to manage.

Also, such negative thoughts will poison our personality with time.
 

depressed_guy

New Member
Hi miloice,

I get wad you mean but what i meant is there will be a breaking point still afterall we're human.....how do we control once reaching this breaking point?
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
hi bro,

i don't control. I take time off to break down and cry, to withdrawn into my cave. Take breaks, holidays, go gamble, play sports and do whatever it takes to recover. I believe we all need it, our little personal cave. The more we try to ignore it, the harder it becomes.

There isn't a fixed way of controlling our emotions but the idea is to avoid bottling up our negative thoughts. That's deadly.

In a way, that's a form of control. We let off the steam in time preventing it from bursting. It like grieving over the death of a close loved one. We cannot ignore it. Everyone will break down, its just a matter of time.
 

depressed_guy

New Member
Music is a no no for me if to avoid emotional strain. Every piece of song or music makes me recall certain fragment of my life and happening.....it only brings me closer to emotional mood......lol

Hmm.....beach sounds good....with beach babes for eye soothing views. :p
 

powder

Active Member
Music is actually the best record of our Life from 8 to 80... every song, music, tune is a testament to our existence and shows up our emotions and tells us that we're so freakin lucky to have the awareness to be alive and Living...
 

pinkhippo2002

New Member
how about listening to 80s disco music, really lift up the spirit. Zouk type
forgot about 60s oldies, very nice but totally depressing if you are already feeling down.
 

powder

Active Member
tat reminds me that i was young once... dancing on the stage at zouk, squeezing pushing and shoving and having so much fun without the cares of an adult!
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pingping

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I need advice. The distance between me and husband is getting further. We hv problems communicating. He don't understand what I say, and I hv been angry with him since the day my gal was born 4 yrs ago.

I must say our relationship deteriorate since the day we have kids, both my pregnancies are unplanned. I feel he was not mentally prepared to hv kids although he like kids. Liking kids and hving kids are two very different things. There are so many details to say, but I just want to summarise it. I can't let go of the unhappiness that has happened in the past four yrs, even if I did and forgive, he will not understand how I feel despite I trying to talk to him abt how I feel for so many times.

I need to communicate a lot but he doesn't see the need to and says I am like that. I feel it's unfair to me esp in a marriage. I am feeling very unhappy, but I am staying in the marriage for the sake of my kids. My kids need their father, but I just can't stand living with him anymore. He does not shown a lot of concern to me, I hv stopped too as I am always the one initiating communication and asking how he is. We hv slept separately for 1 to 2 months. I really want to separate with him, but taking care of 2 young kids alone is really very stressful for me. I really don't know what to do, and I hv mood swings.

I admit I give so much of myself to him that I hv lost myself. I am trying to recover my old self back but with him around just makes it difficult. He was never sincere in changing when he told me he would. He changed for a week, after that was back to his old insensitive self. We did live separate for 3 days, during those 3 days I was more peaceful and happier. I felt I could live by myself and be happy, I did not miss him.

I felt I had the wrong concept when I marry him. That he would change, but he didn't. I hv read in the other threads that men don't change after marriage, and it would be better to find the man who doesn't need to change, rather than hoping for him to change. Now I hv a lot of resentment towards him, what should I do? I don't want a divorce but to live with a man who feel communication is not impt in a relationship. is not acceptable to me.

I hv lost myself, but to find myself back is so difficult cos I hv stop loving myself. I wanted to die but I can't for the sake of my kids. I torture myself, hoping to die. Shld I live separately with my husband on weekdays? I am really at a loss, pls help, anyone? How do I go abt changing myself?
 

yokonoriko

New Member
PingPing, I know how u feel, just like staying with someone with no communication can die. U are very sendible that u said that bcos of the kids. Cos u know jolly well that ur kids need a father. Try looking at things at another angle. Cos u have something to expect in return fr him and that why u feel lousy. Try changing yrself and ur altitude towards him. Accomodate him and don't ask anything fr him. He maybe stress at work or some problems that he meet. Trust me. WHen he sees u change he will realise and tries to change himself. But remember it will not be 1 day or 2. It may takes few years before he realise. That what happen to my dad and mom. Cos my dad is the flirtatious type. Even as a daughter sometimes i also dun like the way he does things. The china gal even got the cheek to call to my place and look for my dad. My mom was upset. Of cos that was like years ago. My mom just devote herself in her religion and prayers, family and children. She told me that she change herself and ACCEPT. Slowly my dad really change alot.
I know saying is easier said than done. Now i am trying hard as well for my marriage. Cos the younger generation like us always feel that we can't accept and we are far more capable. But I really have seen examples for those who really accept willingly and change their thinking. It works. I will pray for u and hope that everything will turn out to be fine. Just tolerate. Think abt how u 2 fall in love. Spend sometimes together. Even u think that he will not agree and later will ended up quarrel. Just try to change ur thinking. Never expect him to change cos it is impossible. Once u expect something from the person and he don't do it. U will feel very frustrated and despair. So don;t expect and u will be happier.

If u stay separately, ur relationship will go further and further away. SPice up ur sex life. Don't forsake urself. Anyway u are not rushing to divorce or u have someone else. So take ur time. U can do it! Jia you.
 

pingping

New Member
yokonoriko,

Thanks for yr reply. You are right, I hv to change myself. I guess I must be patient. I admit I hv expectations of him, that's why when he fails to meet my expectations, I would feel frustrated. Sometimes my expectations of him is to be able to take good care of the kids when I go out, and keep the hse tidy and clean for the kids. The thing is he can't even accomplish simple tasks, which make me frustrated as I can't go out in peace. However, I will heed yr advice, as I hv seeked another person's advice and he told me the same thing, to change myself.

Thanks a lot, yr reply really helps me to see why I should change myself. You hv helped to see things in a different perspective. Yr one reply is more than any other replies which I get in the other forum. You hv help me to kai qiao, I'll try my best to change and persevere. Most importantly, I hv to love myself as I hv stopped loving myself for a very long time. At the moment, sex is not on my mind (as I don't feel for him) but to get back my sleep and health back.
 

yokonoriko

New Member
Pingping,
U are most welcome. I am also learning to be more patient and tolerant. Just that sometimes our anger blind us. At times we will just blurt out words that can be hurting and will push them further and further away from us. So we need someone who are positive and an show us the right way and not to add fire.

Everything comes in a package. Just imagine there is no sex between a couple. SOmetimes women also have needs so how abt men. WHat is the next thing he will do if he needs it? DIY? or what happen if someone comes along? Pros? u want it to happen? I know sometimes we dun need. Just pretend lo. Hehe. Many times we have to ask ourselves. But of cos don't feel lousy and upset. Make urself happy. Ask urself how long u have been pulling a long face in front of him? How abt vice versa? will u feel good?

Haven finish the story of my parents. U know even my dad went to night club, he can just call my mom from there or pick up calls. whereas his friends had to hide when their wives call or refuse to ans call. I will give thumb up to my mom. Cos this is what i call a smart woman. Now my dad don't even visit anymore. And his friends will always praise his wife for being so understanding. So isn't he proud.
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texasholdem

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Face the fact that women once have a change of heart can be very difficult to turn back. but i would do anything to see the person + 3rd party suffer..cos this is way of revenge.
 

pingping

New Member
yokonoriko,

I guess I am not like you. I don't love my husband as much as before, and it's not getting any better. Last night, he said something that showed how selfish he is and with no regards to my feelings. I was angry that I threw a nail clipper at my TV console glass pane and it broke. In my current situation, I would not hv the mood at all after what he has done to me for the past few yrs. I hv been very accommodating to his needs for the past few years, but was he accommodating to mine? No, that's why I am pissed off. He has shown no regards to how I feel or my emotional needs. I hv decided enough is enough. If i am still as submissive as before, our marriage would not be in state.

After hving 2 kids, I hv grown more mature and wiser, but he is still in his comfort zone or rather he has not grown much at all, even though he is a father of 2. If he decided to hv another woman, I would divorce him and I hv told him that many times. He is the one who can't keep his marriage vow, he has forgotten how I treated him in the past and was never appreciative. I hv talked to him many times nicely, but it just doesn't go into his head. What can I do, I am tired. He feels there is no problem cos he doesn't hv the need to communicate, but I need to communicate. Really, if he cared abt how I feel despite me telling him, I would not be hating him now.

Sometimes, it takes a marriage to see yr partner's true colours. I realize during courtship I was too accommodating to him that he had took me for granted till now. Now I can't leave him cos of the 2 kids, the kids love him as he plays with them and I know they need him. That's why I chose to stay on for my kids. I hv been pushed by him to my limits 3 times, slashed my wrists twice and banged my head against the wall to end my emotional pain. Physical pain will heal with time but emotional hurt stays with me for the rest of my life.
 
PingPing (pingping) the problem as I see it is too many women spend all their time kissing their husband and kids rear ends. And no one appreciate anyone who acts desperate. Find something to do on your own which you enjoy doing like hobby and stop acting through you are a fish and he is the water. If he sees you can live without him he will stop acting a bamboon but as he sees it now, you can't live without him. So he take it you are always going to around no matter what. It is ok to love but learn to love yourself first and then you can love someone else.
 

cuclainne

New Member
pingping, i understand the circumstances that brought you to the current situation - i am a mother of two myself. thing is, it's quite often that our roles as mothers seem to take precedent over our roles as wives.

yes, communication is key in any relationship but sometimes it's the way words or actions are put across that defeats the purpose of the discussion intended. there have been times when i feel that my husband doesn't understand me or he's being insensitive but then again, that is only from my perspective and not his. learn to keep an open mind and heart.

your sentence on how you husband is still in his comfort zone even though he's a father of 2 is similar to what i felt some time back but as the husband rightfully pointed out, it's not him who has changed but rather me .. i have changed to become a mother and my priorities have shifted to the children - making sure that everything is done right for them, etc so then what happens to the 'us' factor? this also requires the same effort to maintain ..

you have mentioned that he's forgotten the way you've treated him in the past but is this the way you are treating him now? despite having two children, do you find yourselves finding the time and making the effort to spend time by yourselves - just like back in the days when it was just the two of you?

perhaps your husband is the passive kind who don't say much .. maybe you're the kind who likes to talk and talk .. but that doesn't mean that the disparity is so huge that you can't communicate. and please learn to control your emotions and stop hurting yourself - you're not just hurting you, but the people who cares for you.
 

pingping

New Member
Hi Katie and cuclainne,

I hv stopped hurting myself, and I am loving myself again. What I wrote abt hurting myself was in the past, I realize hurting myself over him is not worth it, cos he does not realise that he has been hurting me all this while. I do want to spend time with him alone, that is why I emphasize on communication as we do not hv any interest in common, except watching movie. The thing is if I hv to do all the hsework esp at night when the kids are sleeping, do you think that's time for us? I'll be so tired that I just want to sleep.

As for the us factor, he does not bother to take time for me but for his soccer programme and computer games. Though he has cut down over the yrs, our relationship has not improved much. For him, the "us" time is sex. I hv never deprived him of that( just that the frequency has cut down), but now the relationship has deteriorated, I don't even think abt it.

You can say I can't let go of the past, esp when my elder gal was born. I hope to spend time with him before we go to bed, but he'll appear to be so busy at the computer and I'll just go to sleep alone with no communication. When I wake up at 2 in the morning, and found him not in bed. He was watching porn, I was so hurt as he would rather spend time watching porn than with me. Writing abt the past just makes me sad. I no longer need him but my kids need him. In fact, I don't miss him when he stayed over at his mum's place, I only need him to help me with the hsework and the kids.

I tried not asking him to communicate with me for a week. He never sense anything missing but just continue this kind of lifestyle with no communication. I felt he is hopeless, he is the type of man who waits till the time you leave him and then probably he'll realize that you are gone.

I am waiting for my kids to grow up till they are abt 18, then I'll pack my bags and go. Yes, he is a very passive guy and I can't stand it. He is 6 yr older than me, but he is like a kid, waiting for someone to take care of him but he doesn't listen to you.

Thanks for all replies. Right now, I just want to get myself back and love myself again. I want to get my health and happiness back.
 

joey04

New Member
Dear Ping Ping,

Qs for you, do you still love your husband?
Or are you being with him just because you want
your children to have a 'complete' family?
 

cuclainne

New Member
pingping, like i've mentioned before in other threads, marriage is a coming-together of two separate individuals .. you say you do not have any interest in common but there's the movie watching .. that counts for something. even if it's just sitting at home and watching a DVD together, that accounts for something. maybe you might want to get him interested in your likes and vice-versa? like eg my husband is interested in shakespeare's works and certain kind of music, when i know there's a production showing or his favourite musical act is in town, i'd buy tickets for us to go. likewise when i saw some ballet performances i'd like to attend, he's willing to come with me. i even went to sim lim with him when he's looking for computer parts - to me, that's like the most boring thing ever but still i went along to keep him company and while i was there, he took the time to explain the functions of certain parts and i even got to chose the casing for him .. hahaha .. so it ended up being a good day. like i said before, you just have to keep an open mind and heart.

if it's housework that gets you all worked up, hire a part-timer to do that. that's what i'm doing now - my cleaning auntie comes once a week to clean floors, surfaces and toilets. with 2 kids, me and the husband don't want to be spending our time doing these stuff - yes, we still have to clean up the inevitable spills from dinner, the dishes and the laundry but at least it lightens up the load of things to do.

i am somewhat like you - but when i'm cleaning up the remnants of dinner, the husband prepares the kids for sleep and then when he's done with that, i'd just tell him to clean the floor and their seats, and wash up their milk bottles. laundry is easy, just dump the clothes into the machine and while it's running, you can do other things and get back to it later when it's done.

your husband sounds quite like mine, i usually go to bed before he does cos he still wants to sit at the computer or play his video games. but it's ok for me cos he gets to do all the nitty-gritty like checking things are switched off, doors are locked before coming to bed, feeding the youngest her night feed and i still get a cuddle and a kiss before he goes to sleep.

i know you feel hurt that he'd rather be watching porn but has it occurred to you that it's because you have pushed him away, far too many times perhaps? cos you mentioned being too tired for us time, that you only want to go to sleep but yet you are hurt when you see him doing this. have you thought that perhaps he doesn't want to disturb you while you're sleeping, he knows you won't entertain him when he does and that he just wanted a 'stress-reliever'? frankly if it was me, i'd be somewhat relieved that my husband chose his hand over some other woman .. i think this is one example of a damned-if-i-do, damned-if-i-don't situation .. if he wakes you up to spend us time, you would likely feel he's being insensitive (waking you up when you're tired) and only approaching you when he wants to get under the covers, if he doesn't wake you and D-I-Y, your feelings are hurt that he doesn't want to spend time with you and think that he prefers porn over you. some guys don't do well with mixed signals .. and so then you would think that he doesn't care when the simpler explanation is that he just doesn't know how to pacify you ..

you only feel this way because you are upset .. it's not the end, try to reclaim this marriage .. make a move and don't be upset if it feels like it's only you who's taking the initiative .. gain your own identity while at the same time, share and work on some common interests ..

believe me, i've gone through most of how you're feeling right now - i don't admit that my relationship is great .. we are only humans .. but we are trying. in fact, last night he remarked that it had been a good day for him and us yesterday since i didn't nag at him once.. hahaha but then he added that the night was still young, and he might still get the chance to annoy me to the heavens. hahahah ..
 
" i think this is one example of a damned-if-i-do, damned-if-i-don't situation .. if he wakes you up to spend us time, you would likely feel he's being insensitive (waking you up when you're tired) and only approaching you when he wants to get under the covers, if he doesn't wake you and D-I-Y, your feelings are hurt that he doesn't want to spend time with you and think that he prefers porn over you."


Good points raised.
 

pingping

New Member
cuclainne,
I think yr husband is more expressive than mine. He has never give me a cuddle or kiss before he goes to sleep, unless he wants s.. from me. He will only cuddle and kissing when he can get something in return.

Abt him surfing porn, he does that and he sleep late every night ever since my elder gal was born. Once in a while, I would understand but everyday, do you think it's reasonable? I don't mind him DIY, I won't feel hurt cos of that. First of all, he will never wake me up to spend us time.
I can't stand the fact that he does not take care of his health. He can sacrifice his sleep to watch soccer at 4 am, and he has to go to work the next day. I just feel he prefers to lead a bachelor life, no strings attached and do what he wants, sleep as and when he likes. He is only responsible in providing for the family, partly he loves the family but mainly he has no choice. Given a choice, I think he would prefer to be single.

He never initiated marriage, it was me. He married me under his family pressure (parents keep asking him to hold the customary wedding) , so if his parents never ask him, I think he would hv hold off the marriage forever? Like i said, he is too comfortable in his comfort zone till now. I wonder when will he grow up.

joey04
I do love him but it's depleting to an extent that I don't feel for him. It doesn't matter to me whether he wants to make the marriage work, cos he has never honoured his word, and I am tired of trying. I hv talked to him directly abt the problems, he just seemed unaffected like he always do.

Thanks for all yr advices. My solution is to get back my old self and not to be dependent on my husband anymore. After that, then see how it goes but I'll not harbour much hope. Like what yokonoriko says, when there is expectation, there will be disappointment.
 

cuclainne

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pingping, yes perhaps my husband is more expressive than yours .. but then again, in any situation, there's always a giver and a taker. if your husband doesn't make the first move, you can .. the rules of engagement are never rigid or fixed .. if he doesn't initiate it, why don't you?

my husband also doesn't sleep early - he runs a side business with some friends and cos of the time difference, he can only chat with them in the early hours and so he's always either chatting online or playing games. occasionally i do rant about him not getting enough sleep, being tired the next day but he's an adult - in the end, he is responsible for his welfare and if he thinks that he's ok with 4 hours of sleep, so be it.

i know we tend to be overly-concerned about the people we love, but they are ultimately responsible for themselves. we can only do so much.

from your posts, i feel that you have detached yourself totally from him ..
 

pingping

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cuclainne,

You are right, I hv detached myself totally from him. I hv to or I'll hurt even more, as I am a soft hearted person. I think my husband knows that, so he think I'll never leave him and takes me for granted. I hv to live for myself and my kids only, or else I'll be in a deeper pit.

I am always the one taking initiative, and I am tired of it. The best solution is not to do anything at all. I hv already let go, when I ask him in the morning to come back early today to help me, as I was hving bad menstrual cramps but he said he want to play his badminton and it's only just for a while. That is enough to piss me off, and I know where I stand in his heart. He would rather play his badminton and let me suffer in pain. Luckily I feel better now or else it'll be so difficult to handle 2 kids and hsehold chores.

It seems like he is more of a taker than a giver, that's why I am tired of this relationship. Now I know the meaning of marriage is the graveyard of love in chinese. It is very true. Both parties need to work hard at maintaining marriage, if it's just one party doing it, he/she will suffer terribly.
 

mikaela24

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that situation is very hard.. but my opinion is to for you to hold on.... maybe ur husband needs some time ...just endure..
i think he still loves u..men are silly sometimes and u actually most of the time..and just bear with that..
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try to go out with ur friends..and take ur time off...soon ur hubby will be there back again..its you anyway that he choosed to marry.
 

tianedeyangyang

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I have been married for only 6 months but we have dated for 8 years already. I was so true to his family until do all the housework when MIL said only one word : "pain". That was before i got married. Coz i have the principal that PIL is the same with my own parents. Who knows when we were about to get married, we had a bid disputes over the procedure. And since I am not a local, I had so many difference in the culture. They strongly wanted to have my parents sit separately during the dinner. But it's unreasonable for me and my family. I had quarrel with all of them almost 2 years and finally after they said that they won't involve in my marriage, i decided to get married. But they lied. They still give me the procedure to have a tea ceremony at their place first with their relatives instead of everything held together at the wedding lunch place. I was so pissed off until i cancel all the chinese tradition things. Worst thing is that they also forbit me to have tea ceremony with my own parents ~~!! .... I got married because hb promised me one thing... He knew that his parents are too traditional and he said that he will persuade them to respect me again. During the big day, you know what... PIL never greet me at all. No talk about his relatives. I was so pissed off. After married, i told my hb that with kind of situation, i can't go back to his house for dinner or anything. During CNY, my parents came from overseas specially for visiting PIL. See... everything is my side first. Eventhought talking about marriage, PIL never said the first word. Nowadays, PIL also never asked about me when he called hb. Only talked about herself. I feel that they don't see my existence. Why should i bother about them ? Next week is mom's day and SIL bday. Btw SIL inherent the coldness and the weird attitude from his family. She never greet my mom when whe bumped to her in my wedding. Never said hi to me when i said hi to her. ...Anyway, I specially order a cute table floer to be delivered to their home next week. I initiated myself coz afterall I am not the kindda person who can ignore them just like them. I told my hb and he was surprised. He even asked me more to call them and asked about the gift. The thing is that, I want to know what's PIL reaction when they receive my gifts. If they are normal ppl, they will call me and say some words. That's what i hope. But I know what i will get based on the past. They will act like blurr.... silence mode. During my wedding, I got nothing from them and in fact my family gave my hb what they should give for son in law. My parents also brought them gifts whenever they visit PIL home. But none from them. ....

Recently, hb's friend wanted to file divorce coz his frenz' wife always cursed the PIL eventhough after the PIL dead. And I admit that I always scold my PIL in front of him due to their silence towards me and what they did to my marriage. And today, hb starts asking me to go back to his house for dinner. And i said that i will go if I am ok. To be surprising, he said that He had accompanied me and sleep with me everyday. Now he wants to make it equal portion to have dinner with me and with his parents. I was mad up coz i think how come a hb is calculative on how much time he sleep with his wife of have dinner with her. I was angry and ask him to go back. I did tell him that weekend is our time. Friday, he can have his mom "delicious" dishes and left me alone at home. I am ok. Initially he's agree. But then, he said that it's not enough. So he just scolded me how come i m behaving like his frenz' wife. Then suddenly he said : why don't we get divorced ?????? have you ever thought what mistakes i did that MIL keeps disliking me ???

I was so disappointed in his thinking. I told him, since that's the only thinking he has afterall and seeing me the same with his frenz' wife, and he is willing to say DIVORCE ..... I said ok. I can't be with someone who ever think of divorce when they get angry.

Now I am writing here, hopefully I can have some inputs from you guys.

Rgds,
 
tianedeyangyang,
You seem to do things for the sake of getting some rewards back from PILs??? If you have so much expectations (a long list from A to Z) for PILs, of course you are bound to get disappointments. Do you always rantle and curse your PILs in front of your hubby? If yes, he's probably getting sick of your rantling and feels his life will be happier without you.
 

mark78

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I was so pissed off until i cancel all the chinese tradition things. Worst thing is that they also forbit me to have tea ceremony with my own parents ~~!!"

Qns why is there a disparity here? You cancel the traditional things and u want their son to attend to your tradition thing.

Now he wants to make it equal portion to have dinner with me and with his parents.

Qns Who is the calculative one. You are the one. What wrong with the son wanting to spend time with the family. u married his son but u don owned him.
 

tianedeyangyang

New Member
Hi Green,

Thanks for your input. I just hope that PIL appreciate our culture not all belongs to them. At least I do have parents. It's impossible to follow them all. Yes, my hb probably getting sick of it. I am also getting sick of PIL behavious that never see me exist. In this case, I just do whatever hb wants. It's not the rewards that I expect .... it's the appreciation of someone existing. If we were a mom and when your girl get married with the other party, but they never appreciate our daugther existence, will we be happy as a parents ????

That's my thinking.
Thanks
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tianedeyangyang

New Member
@ mark78 :

Thanks for your input.
Q1. It is because that the son initially agreed upon that. He promised me that whenever his parents wanted to reject, he will still continue the tea ceremony with my parents since their parents were the one who didn't want to.

Q2. Can I ask you one thing back in common ? Is it normal for hb to ask the wife to calculate how many hours she should spend with me and have to make it equal to the time he go back to his mom ???? Is it a marriage whereby you have to know that you are now building a new family ??? Is it normal for a wife to have uncertainty whether tonite hubby will spend time together or not ????

Btw, I am alone here. It's ok if i have dinner alone everyday. I just want the fix schedule. Not uncertainty.

Thanks.
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tianedeyangyang

New Member
Hi Cuclainne,

Yeah.. I always put a hope that everyday is getting better as long as hb really be my side. But as what he mentioned yesterday, after some periode he said that he didn't mean it. I was just thinking that someone whould have put deep inside the heart and when he was angry, everything spilled out.

I am ok with that. At least I know that my hb's true feeling. I just can't stand with someone who has the mindset of divorcing during quarrel. I myself never ever mention the word Divorce whenever I have argument before. Because he reminds me not to do so before marriage. But now, maybe due to the bad of me .... he can't stand anymore. I will appreciate his decision and I don't want to have any quarrel again.

Today, he wants to do anything, I just tell myself that tommorow will be better. Be it together or not, as long as both of us happy, it's not a problem.

Thanks for sharing and reading my post
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have a nice sunday.
 

infojunkie

Active Member
"They still give me the procedure to have a tea ceremony at their place first with their relatives instead of everything held together at the wedding lunch place. <font color="ff0000">I was so pissed off until i cancel all the chinese tradition things</font>. Worst thing is that they also forbit me to have tea ceremony with my own parents ~~!!"

" It is because that the son initially agreed upon that. He promised me that whenever his parents wanted to reject, he will still continue the tea ceremony with my parents <font color="ff0000">since their parents were the one who didn't want to</font>."

"<font color="ff0000">During the big day</font>, you know what... <font color="ff0000">PIL never greet me at all</font>. No talk about his relatives. <font color="ff0000">I was so pissed off</font> "


U know what? i think they were pissed off too...
 

tianedeyangyang

New Member
@junkie :

Yeah I think so. Back to the wedding celebration think, who is getting married ? As a parents, when it comes about cross culture, do you want to be happy yourself by sticking to your culture only or be a little bit flexible of all the customary and see your child's happiness during the most important day ??

My parents had tried to give and take but seems that what we offered by having tea ceremony together at the restaurant or sit together in the VIP table, can't satisfy them. They chose to have buffet rather than sit together in the VIP table. I asked them why ... and they said that it's done so that all the guests know who held this celebration. As for tea ceremony problem, They chose not to have tea ceremony instead of having it at the restaurant itself.

The second thing is that engagement. My culture has this engagement procedure and PIL just rejected it by saying that just go for ROM will do. Nothing to be given to bride side. The only thing is that bride has to give a set of gifts to the groom sides. And MIL even prepared the whole junk list of items that we need to give to them.

I don't blame if it's their own culture. What we expected were to have give and take thinking. In fact, PIL never wants to care about the cross culture.

Is it still acceptable ? When my hb provoke them, they just ignored him. In fact, both of us were the only one who paid for this wedding things.

That's the reason why I cancel all the chinese tradition thing since PIL were not cooperative and hb can't have enough power to say anything to PIL.

Thanks for the input
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sgbabydoll

Active Member
Perhaps your PILs almost did ruin your marriage during the wedding. But now you are doing your own marriage a great disservice by badmouthing your PILs daily to your husband and not giving him face by ignoring your PILs.

Isn't this the kettle calling the pot black?
 

octo

New Member
Hi Tianedeyangyang,

I don't see any good in keeping on raking and digging up that can of worms that should have been buried on the wedding day. Like what you said, its already 6months... do you mean you still kept raking the unpleasant past infront of your husband daily to 'remind' him of all the 'unhappiness' that his family brought you? I cant imagine if my hubby kept repeating and critising MY FAMILY daily. Do put yourself in his shoe. Do you like people to critise your family all day long?

For a start, you might want to stop mentioning all the past, irregardless of whose's fault was it that time. Don't you look forward to a NEW and bright future with your hubby?

Its good to read that you initiated a surprise bouquet to your pil. However, when I read further that you are using that as a gauge on their reaction, my jaws dropped. Is this a sincere gift to your mil to wish her a happy mother's day? If so, then you shouldn't be expecting ANY response from her. Like myself, when I send my mom a bouquet of flower on mother's day, I just hope that she smiles when she receive them in her arms. I don't expect her to call and thank me for that. That bouquet is suppose to be a gift to THANK her for my upbringing. You see my point?

About the part where you mentioned that your hubby was calculative as he mentioned about spending more time with his family as he spend most of his time with you. I don't think he was being calculative. Infact, I don't understand how you derive the word 'calculative' from these.

I understand how your hubby because I felt the same. Luckily for me, my hubby worked alternate wkends, so I will spend my whole day with my family on that working day.

Frankly, I think you are the one being calculative to have such thoughts that he's counting the time that was spent with you. I don't think my hubby will think that I am being calculative on the time I spent with him and so need to use that full day to be with my family.

I see so much negative that you have against your pil. You need to put all these down, to have a new beginning with them.

Good luck.
 

depressed_guy

New Member
Hmm.....quite suprised to see my thread still in first page after <1yr of absence.

Life still goes on. Communicating more often with my ex-wife on my daughter's upbringing especially her family matters is going downhill indirectly impacting my 2 daughter's lifehood.

My flat should be coming end of this year and my ex-wife is pretty insistent to catch hold of the flat as the value has already rised by >$90k given the price of new flat gauge near our's.

I just told her if "you can afford by all means you have my blessings". But somehow by calculations it seems like my past 1yr of money given is kinda over as she seems to be able to afford the 4rm premium flat installment for 30yrs w/o too much difficulty.

Another sad review on woman's charter as flagged by NMP.
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST+Forum/Online+Story/STIStory_389050.html
 

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