DIAMONDS Lovers!!!

jchng

New Member
JC, not sure if i'm biased coz i also like Larry's lazare a lot - to me, it seems that lazare is slightly nicer..

but i cannot deny that destinee is nice.. it is also beautiful..

wonder where else shld i go? coz i was thinking otherwise i will just go back larry and take a second look.

actually my FH's friend deals with gems - he called my FH and said that he has a 0.7ct G colour, VVS2 loose diamond selling at $4380 (if i'm not wrong). but it's commercial diamond of course.. may go there and take a look

but then again, i wonder how i see the difference coz different lightings affect the presentation of the diamond. we gg to the friend's shop (date not fixed yet may be gg 3rd jan)
 


jchng

New Member
weddin..

i think a tiffany ring no matter what looks great.. hahaha..

a 6 claws for a 0.34 ct some say will cover the diamond but i guess as long as it looks pretty and nice to the owner it is fine..

i actually was thinking of getting a 4 claws for my ring - i did check with the SA at Larry the possibility of it dropping. she said workmanship is impt and good there and of course once we knock the diamond ring against a wall or something real hard, the first thing is to inspect if the stone moves.. if it does go back to the shop to re-tighten.
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi Jo_Chng, I saw Lazare diamonds b4. Its lovely. U have gd taste.

The loose diamond u mentioned is G color. IMO, its alittle low grade and u'll tend to notice a tint of yellow. Carat is not so impt as long as the diamond does perform. A gd performance .5carat diamond will look bigger that a lousy .7 carat diamond mainly due to the scintillation.

If u are look at loose diamond, minimum u'll need a scope. With an ideal scope, u'll be able to see the diamond performance clearly. http://www.ideal-scope.com/

Cheers
JC
 

jchng

New Member
i see..

so, where can i find Canary Diamond?

that's because it's such a big price difference.. but i was thinking 0.7ct looks big on my hand leh.. a bit too "show-off" .. hahaha.. unless i dont wear it everyday.
 

solonavi

New Member
Canary is loacted at Delfi along orchard road. Check yellowpages for their full address.

I suspect ur friend piece is a normal cut and the most GIA certified. You should not compare these diamond to Larry or even H&A cut diamonds.

Cheers
JC
 

jchng

New Member
JC. Thanks for your info about Canary. So, generally what's the difference between Canary diamond and Larry's?
 

solonavi

New Member
That's a tough question. Let's see.... Larry has its own cut and Canary usually import diamonds based on certain common cut.

That's all I can think of simpily because a gd diamond is generally determined by the 4Cs. Thus which shop u buy from is not that important athough they(the shop) wll tend to advertise that you'll get gd after sales service, etc, etc.

What I'll do if I'm u, is 1st, set a budget. 2nd, Decide what is the min carat, clarity & color I'll go for. 3rd, go to all these shop and look 4 my ideal diamond. This is where I'll know and can compare teh difference of each cut and thus know which is the cut I'll like more.

Hope this helps.

Cheers
JC
 

mercury

New Member
Hmmm anyone bought online at bluenile before?
thinking of bringing in a loose diamond.

Just went soo kee and Goldheart yesterday. wasnt too satisfied that they couldnt find anything i want. Sookee 50% only applies to diamonds that have been set also.

Hmmmm gf was nodding to whatever the salesperson was saying. haa what G color and F color no diff and clarity doesnt matter.
and i was thinking bullshit.
Maaannn so hard to find my ideal diamond!
 

nurse

New Member
jus me

if u considering Destinee, u can go and talk to this sales manager at Suntec Lee Hwa shop. His name is Simon. I bought my destinee fr him as well as my diamond set fr him. thumbs up for his good service.
 

mercury

New Member
Alrighty, Bluenile doesnt ship internationally.

I may get from whiteflash then. Wire transfer is a little freaky.

nurse,
nay destinee is pretty out of reach for me.
My friend works at lee hwa, so the discount she could get for me still costs at 8k plus for 0.7c.

stephen, i do understand that buying online has its pros and cons. but for the best bargain and exact specifications and of course PRICE for what I NEED, the local jewellery shops such as lee hwa, soo kee and goldheart doesn't seem to have any stock.

If anyone spots something similar, please let me know.

SHAPE: Round
CARAT: 0.7–0.8 carat
Polish: Ideal (AGS) or Excellent for GIA
Symmetry: Ideal (AGS) or Excellent for GIA
COLOR: D–F
LAB: GIA,AGS
CLARITY: VVS1–VS2
Fluorescence: None
Girdle: Thin to medium
 

goooogal

New Member
hi Just Me, why don't you try Jan Et Lee Joaillier at #03-35 Shaw Centre? I was recommended thru another thread. Janet the lady boss is a very knowledgeable and friendly person. She is not pushy at all and many customers are long time regulars. She can even do replicas of famous brands eg Tiffany, Cartier rings, etc. But her own designs are very nice too! Her certified diamonds are dazzling and she even stocks special cuts like the Lucida. You can give her a call at 6734 7665 cos her opening hours are not fixed, need to make appt to see her.
 

icebaby0

Member
JC,

where are u? I need to ask u something. I remember that time u gave a website where we can check for prices for loose diamonds. Do u still have them?
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi Justme, if u intend to get form online shop, I recommend that u read up more. Cos from the specs u indicated, its a wide range. Color form D - F and Clarity from VVS1 - VS2 will have a big price difference. Spend sometime in http://www.pricescope.com/ Check the forum for comments on the various online shop. Do a search using key word liek "singapore". U'll find some gd info. Personally, I've only dealed with Megan from http://www.diamondideals.com/

Hi icebaby, you can check the online price from the pricescope website. Rem its in USD.

Cheers
JC
 

rob_502

New Member
I purchased one recently from Dmeyson, the perfect brilliant range. It's a Heart & Arrow diamond with GIA certification. Price is about the same if not lower than the internet prices for loose diamond of the same quality. So I didn't bother of taking the risk of ordering online (I was tempted though).

These diamonds are exactly the same as Destinee diamond. They have 57 facets (ie. no cutlet, and Destinee diamond make such a big fuss about this)with excellent proportions, polish and symetry with a true Heart and Arrow pattern.

Compare the prices and you will know how much Destinee diamonds are being marked-up by. I ask for the same spec of diamond and Destinee was 36% higher in price. I guess this markup goes for the elaborate booklet they produce, fancy shop and the rather nice tea that they serve.

No I dont work for Dmeyson, I m just an engineer who like to study things and get the facts right before splashing out my hard earned money
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mercury

New Member
Hmmm anybody bought from Whiteflash?
There is a 100 dollars referral gift right? LOL. who wants. i buying diamond from there.
 

goooogal

New Member
hi Just Me, what's the diamond and the price you're getting from whiteflash? I've seen their products online... look gd and prices are quite gd. but I wonder if it's safe to buy such expensive stuff online...
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi Rob, actually there are more things beside the 4 basic Cs of a diamond that will determine the price tag. Things like performance of the diamond play a big part also. Which means that for 2 diamonds that have the exact similar 4Cs, diamond 1 can be more expensive than diamond 2 due to its superior performance. I have posted a pix of some chart on how a gd and badly cut H&A diamond look like under the idealscope. Take a look and u'll understand what I mean.

See the archive, http://www.singaporebrides.com/forumboard/messages/3/338754.html?1134984756

I have also heard that if u have the time and skill to pick loose diamond, Taka at times do have some gems to be unconvered also.

Cheers
JC
 

rob_502

New Member
Hi JC,

Yeah you're right about your comment. I did check and ensure that the diamond I got it's a true and heart diamond. I viewed it under the idealscope and see that the arrow pattern are perfectly symetrical & GIA cert show that it's an excellent symettry as well. I know GIA doesn't tell about the proportions but, i figure that to get a perfect H&A pattern you will need the corect proportions & symetry anyway. (hopefully i am not wrong)

Not sure its Briliant Scope rating though, no such was report available.

I guess the only way that I know if it will be a TRUE H&A diamond I will have to get it certified myself in singapore. If it's not then I will demand a refund from Dmeyson
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I just checked for the same diamond that I got in pricescope and the price I pay is still slightly less. The difference is the one in priscope offers AGS cert rather than GIA. Personally I didnt feel too comfortable buying it over the internet for something that is so expensive.
 

mercury

New Member
Goooogal: i let u know later after i wire out the funds. It's just a 'ok-ok' diamond. no budget for what i really really wanted. =D

hmm there are plenty of ppl who tried. let's hope i'm a survivor too! *crosses finger* =D den maybe you can try too.

cassoml (cassoml): what site form are you talkin about.

Hmm this http://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp will be pretty good to check if it is a good cut.

A FULL diamond certification will actually include the flaws of your diamond.


Oh yes, people this is Very important.
Anyone can PLEASE recommend me where i can set my diamond? helppppp pls
 

goooogal

New Member
Hi Just Me, thanks for sharing.. do let us see your diamond when you have a picture of it
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As mentioned, you can set your diamond at Jan et Lee. The lady boss has many nice designs and can also make copies of brand name designs.
 

mercury

New Member
Alright as promised. It's nothing spectacular. I'm just buying one that pleases me and something that doesnt blow my budget. (well it did blew a little by a few hundred but i thought heck! it's a once in a lifetime thing)

Haa my ideal stone would be symmetry and polish both at ideal actually and no flaws on the stone. haa of course we can't have the best of both worlds.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=AGS-6633602

As i post, the diamond is now at fedex and will be on the plane by tonight.
hee. I will take some pics of the diamond when it reaches me tomorrow or by friday. fedex is probably going to bill me (argh GST!)

I let you guys know further.
 

goooogal

New Member
Hi Just Me, nice...
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And it's a good deal...about SGD5K for close to 0.8carat. Have you decided what your setting is going to be like??
 

eliaw

New Member
Hi Jo,

My FH just bought me a 0.66 carat Gabrielle diamond. The brilliance is fantastic due to the 105 facets and the cut is very elaborate.
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi Just ME, nice diamond u got. Almost 90cents diamond! Wow....

Althoough in the idealscope, its light return is not excellent but I just did a check on the HCA for ur piece, its getting a rating of 1.2. Lovely!

Selected: 60.3% depth, 57% table, 34.8° crown angle, 40.8° pavilion angle
The result is for a symmetrical diamond with a medium girdle and very good polish
HCA scores were adjusted Dec. 15, 2001 and Feb. 6, 2003.


Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Excellent
Total Visual Performance 1.3 - Excellent
within TIC range

http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/holloway_cut_adviser.htm

Cheers
JC
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi eliaw, how much is the setback for ur Gabrielle Diamond? I know that Steven_Tan is the owner for Gabrielle. ;)

Cheers
JC
 

eliaw

New Member
Hi JC
Paid $890 for the setback. The prices for the setting varies for different sizes.
Pardon my ignorance, who's Steven_Tan? Is he in this thread too?
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi eliaw, is it a platium setting? 6 prong? Actually, I was referring more to the setback for u to acquire the diamond (price of the diamond).

Sorry for the typo, I was referring to Stephen Tan (stephentan). :p

Cheers
JC
 

mercury

New Member
Thanks JC!
it's really heartwarming to know you (haa diamond expert) think my diamond is pretty good.
I saw the ideal scope in the beginning and felt it was just quite good. but later felt the price for an AGS diamond like this is quite reasonable.

In the beginning, i was looking at 0.7 - 0.71 but after getting some pointers from my friend's dad (a diamond industry old bird, he advised that 0.7 and 0.71 prices are low because 0.67 can look like a 0.7 sometimes), i decided to get a diamond nearer to 0.8. getting the best out of my tight budget! He did tell me something quite true, when you have lots of requirements, if you buy locally shops like lee hwa and sookee will take the opportunity to cut you up into a big pig head. den asked me to use the time to earn more money instead. He advised me to get something that looks good visually

Quite demoralising although he makes good sense.
So in the end i decided to buy online.

Bob at whiteflash introuduced me 3 pieces which one of them is the diamond i chose. Actually i was initially unwilling to get this piece because it's not ideal in polish and symmetry. plus a small flaw on the stone but checking alot of stuffs like measurements and also after trying out the HCA i was impressed. Bigger carat somemore..
Perhaps i finally understood if you want the best, you also need to spend.

Fedex just called me (in the midst of my company mass breakfast gathering) and asked when will i be home. they can't deliver to my company (tell me that it is too far) so i scheduled the delivery to be at night.

My gf is soo excited. She loves surprises and can't stand the excitment of being told "you got a surprise". haa i did the latter most of the time.
so she has been dying of excitment for almost a week now. lol!!!!
She just msned me "It's in SG!!! It's In In In!!!!". haa over-excited woman.
Hmm if roses are wonderful, diamonds must a miracle to women.

Next i have to send for appraisal . verbal or full? only got a DQR and nt a DQD so should i go for full appraisal? $$$$$ again. haa. Fedex also never mentioned GST. *Crosses finger* dun charge me pleaseeeeeee. or they going to bill me later?

The search and purchase of my diamond has been finally over. Now new tasks awaits.
Thank you JC and Kevin (p r o p o s a l r i n g dot c o m) for your invaluable time and advice! and of course all the rest of the forum members who helped.

Alright.. maybe the diamond has been appraised and verified correct, i will write my personal experience on buying a diamond too. heee.


Just my personal views..
Most of time alot of chaps keep lookin at the 4Cs but there are other significant details to be a ideal diamond.
Let me state you some examples.
1. Measurements of a diamond.
2. Crown and Pavilion of diamond
3. Table
4. The proportionality of the crown and pavilion
5. Fluorscence
6. Light return
7. Where the flaws are on the diamond.

There are lots and lots of factors that make a good diamond (other than what i stated) and i'm sure lots of people don't bother. Research more and learn more! Diamond is fascinating i must say.

At the end of the day,
You must
1. love your diamond.
2. Feel justified for the price you paid for your diamond.
3. Be happy!
4. Believe that you made the right choice
 

solonavi

New Member
Its nice to find someone that enjoyed the process of getting a diamond for his loves one. I totally agree with ur personal view. 4Cs are the basic but there are much more than juz the 4Cs that determine the price.

Actually, to really maximise ur investment, try getting a rock that is 0.x9cents and not those the region of 0.x1- 0.x3 cents range. Most of the time we will not be able to see the difference and there are quite abit of price difference.

Since urs come with AGS cert, personal view is a verbal appriasial is gd enough just to ensure that u are getting what u requested. Does yous come with encraving of the cert no.? I had mine verbally appriased by;

Nan Yang Gemological Institute.
Add: 1 Scotts Rd #04-32 Shaw Centre Singapore 228208
Tel : 6333 6238

I'm sure ur GF will be very touched by ur extensive effort to get this perfect gift! Is this ur proposal ring?

Cheers
JC
 

mercury

New Member
yes JC,
this is the proposal ring.

yeah i will probably go down tomorrow. wonder if it is open tomorrow. will give them a call.

hmm engraving? hmm i dunnoe le. forget to ask. I will ask whiteflash tonight. Is it harder to recognise diamond after setting the diamond if there is no engraving?

haha i would love to have a 0.9 carat really. but den i would have borrow from some bank already. hee.
 

solonavi

New Member
Hi Just me,

If there is no engraving, you'll have to try indentify some unique feature of ur diamond. i.e. any arrow that is alittle outof shape or if u can indentify where the various "defect" are on the table. Best is to go 2 a reputated shop to do ur setting. Better to pay safe.

Btw, the engraving is done using laser. U can't see using nake eye unless u have a superman eye. :p U'll probably need a 10x scope to view it and most shop will have it. Rem when u set the diamond, tell the jeweller to not cover the engraving by the prongs.

Cheers
JC
 

mercury

New Member
hmm there is no inscription on the diamond.
Went down last sat to nanyang, and he was telling me that this days youngsters are getting smarter and smarter at choosing diamonds. He's still wary of internet buys though. skeptical i guess.

After that i went Canary Diamonds. Dunno whether it's the boss, well he looks like one at least. William attended to me. I must say they have really good service!!! and the prices are attractive.

so there, i still waiting for it to be ready. hee.
need to borrow a dslr to take a nice pic of it then
 

solonavi

New Member
Ic. So is his appraisal close to those from AGS?

Btw, juz tot that I should post a pix of how the inscript I was talking abt looks like.

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Cheers
JC
 

kylson

New Member
Hi all,

wld really appreciate some opinion here,
just started on my diamond hunt recently, and had narrow down my options to 2 of them

1st option: 0.33C G VS1
2nd option: 0.39C I VS1 and S$350 more ex.

Had decided on Op1 until the sales person recommended the 2nd option

was wondering which one is more worth it?
and i couldn;t really see the difference in colour but the difference in size is so obvious...

man...buying diamonds is so much tougher than i imagine...pls help!!

Thks in advance
Kylson
 

mercury

New Member
JC,
yeaps his appraisal is identical.
he confirmed that my diamond doesnt have an inscription.

Kylson,
i would think you should ask which one looks better and which one ya girl will like.
anyway take your time, look around. Esp if it's a proposal ring.
 

goooogal

New Member
Hi kylson, I would prefer the G colour if I were you. Did you compare the 2 diamonds under white light with white paper background? Prepare these things when you go to the shop next time. You will be able to see the difference. I grade is not as colourless as G grade. Personally, I think if possible, you should go for F grade and above...Also, note the cutting, not just carat weight. A bad cut will make a diamond less sparkling. Care to tell us which shop you went to??
 

kylson

New Member
Just Me,
yup its for proposal and surprise..so cant really ask her to choose.

Goooogal,
did compare with white paper and cant see much diff, poor eyesight perhaps.
went to tiff and the cuts are mostly standard, thats y i nv mention the cut.


thx for all the advice
Kylson
 

goooogal

New Member
Hi kylson, wah Tiffany's huh? I bet with that price you're preparing to pay, you can get a better colour and clarity at another jeweller... you need to compare against pure white paper under white light to see more clearly the colour diff. But if you're happy with your selection then that's ok... good luck for your proposal!
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weevenge

New Member
For all of you who are thinking of getting diamond from whiteflash , do consider shipping by USPS as you may be able to siam GST .... i had mine from whiteflash and then sent to AGA for appraisal before i confirm buying. AGA do not shipped by fedex or DHL , so only can shipped by USPS (fully insured), and singpost never ask me to pay GST, but the whole process takes 7 days longer though
 

weevenge

New Member
Online diamond is the way to go ! i saved more than 5k, had a very happy fiancee , destinee who are selling a diamond around the size that i buy at 12k+

if you are worried about not seeing the diamond, have it sent to a independant appraiser in US before committing, ask them to be your eyes, and these people more than qualified and the experts in this field to help u before u buy the diamond
 

sandralum

Member
Hi weevenge, how did u send ur diamond to AGA for appraisal before confirming ur purchase? Was this an option available by whiteflash?
 

starlitee

New Member
Hi!

Came across this thread and saw the categories to look out for other than the 4Cs:
1. Measurements of a diamond.
2. Crown and Pavilion of diamond
3. Table
4. The proportionality of the crown and pavilion
5. Fluorscence
6. Light return
7. Where the flaws are on the diamond.

Can anyone give me advice as to the above? So, what is best recommended?
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Thanks!!
 

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