Anyone managed to salvage marriage?

small_wish

New Member
Miyako San
I really do not know whether he loves me or not, thus I really do not know why he stays. Probably because of the daughter.

So you all see it is an uphill task for me to save the marriage? If you were me, wouldn't you feel sad? I hope I have a heart made of steel and don't feel sad, so will not feel the pain. But I am trying to be strong for my daughter.

Thanks all and have a nice day. Hope my nonsense don't damp your day.
 


babystorm

Member
Hope, seems like he is unrependant even after you have discovered his affair. His 'too busy' excuse is really very lame. If he cares for you and this family, he will make effort. Come on, how long does a dinner take? Does he not need to eat? Are you sure he broke all contacts with TOW?

All I can say is that you should love yourself enough before you talk about loving others. All those nonchalant treatment that he gave you.. I really BTH! Why does he even want to come back in the first place?! To 'act' like he is still responsible towards his loved ones when his attitude/actions show a completely different story?

I'm not saying that you should not forgive him or just give up but your situation is different. Firstly, he is not remorseful. Secondly, he is not reaching out to hold your hands. How to improve like that? Most cases are when the husband is regretful and sincerely want to make up to the wife. But is your husband even worth it? To you, everything is worth as long your child is happy and the family is 'intact'. Please love yourself more. If someone does not love you, they just don't. You cannot force them.

I know this is gonna sound crude but I'm still gonna say it. Doll yourself up. Go out and meet more new friends. Don't pin all your hopes in him. If he can go out and find himself someone to have fun with and to ****. So can you. Take care.
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
Hope, as I mentioned... too busy just mean poor time management and prioritizing.

Why he could have time for affair? Its not strange at all. Its something new and exciting. So, he prioritize it above his other commitments.

The fact that this has bugged for mind this long shows how little you really understand men and human behavior. When you 1st dated him, didn't he gave you the top priority? And you were eager to answer his calls no? Why?

This is the same reason why he has time for the affair. Its a new and exciting relationship. For sure, he will find time for it.
 

hweebs

New Member
hope,

Wah he know you come with full warranty issit? He not scared you don't want him anymore! He is sooo sure if he want to come back you will still be around to receive him, 100% with open arms! So much so that a bit of his time for counselling, for talking also don't have!

And is this the reality of your situation?
 

serene_yam

New Member
Hope, I will be seen as pouring wet water on you, dashing your hope. There's no hope in this guy for your marriage. Frankly, when you wrote about him on the trip with the family and he commented, you think I want to come ah? ...DO YOU GET IT??? This man simply doesn't want to spend time with you and daughter. It's clearly not because he doesn't have enough time, all crap about him being busy and all. But has the time to find TOW??? WTF! And you are equally silly, presenting yourself right in front of him to be hurt in this way. You don't love yourself, which is ironic unfortunately, because if you can't love yourself well, how can you ever really love your own daughter? Right now, yes, you keep talking about staying on for daugher. Then so what? This is not a proof of your love for your daughter. How many times must the message be sent across to you, that you are just staying on for the reason which doesn't really justify what you really wanted? Please check your heart. Don't fool yourself, please. It's a painful process, but really, you have to face up to the truth. At least being truthful and loving yourself is better than being fake and yet thinking you are loving.

In the long run, your self-esteem and sense of worth are going to run real low, if you allow this man to mess up your real self. (Unless you are not what you claim yourself to be: really independent and strong?)

Wake up my dear....
 

simpleman

Active Member
hope,

I guess serene sums up nicely.

You are able to side-step questions put forth and seem to be able to defend what you are saying here but the fact is you rather choose not to face reality.

I wish you well and hope you can learn to live for yourself. Actually no point posting and replying to our queries. You should be busy re-starting your life.

And I will be out of this thread.
 

vios

New Member
Hope, go ahead and continue to hit a good shot than stop un-trying... since you are determined to make a last-ditch attempt.

there's no "better way" to try salvaging the marriage than doing what you have promised him to do, so it's kinda moot asking for suggestions from forummers in previous similar plights as you don't share the same husband.

for your daughter's sake, i just have to keep repeating that you must learn to let go if you are really losing yourself (mentally)
 

yeelin

New Member
hi Hope,
I understand your intentions. I haven't been in your situation, as such I don't really have the so-called right to advice, but I can empathise and share.

My hubby had always a trust issue, he feels that since I had cheated on my first love of nearly 7 years, that it's inherent in my character to cheat, and that one day it would happen to him, even after marriage. To protect his heart, he distanced himself emotionally away from me after the first years of marriage. It was frustrating to be Scarlet-branded; he doesn't trust that people learn and change, and evolve.

Increasingly over the next decade, the love he had for me eroded away, it was a systematic elimination on his part, if there's such a thing. He was in the 'self-protection' mode. On hindsight, I'm sure he was in a lot of pain thinking that I've been unfaithful to him, those times I was uncontactable in the office etc. In the initial years, I was acting like the petulant and defiant child, thinking that I've done no wrong, so why the hell should I submit to his demands. Things were not easy, not easy at all, imagine being called the ugliest names that a woman can be called; the fights are just legendary, as we are both stubborn and hard-headed. Things got so unbearable that I asked for a divorce. He softened up and asked me to stay. I stayed, but I knew very well that wouldn't be the end of it. He was almost dead to me in my heart, having bore the brunt of the psychological and verbal abuse, and I can't even bear him touching me, but still I stayed and I concentrated on being a good mother to our child. For that was happiness to me. I was amazed at how I could 'compartmentalise' happiness, but when things happen to you, i guess you choose to cope, or collapse.

In my younger pre-marriage years, this would have been unthinkable. I would have asked myself to regain my dignity and walk away. But when when the unthinkable happen, something kicks in - whether it's the instinct to fight for happiness, or some sanity (which is my son). We both love our child dearly and my hubby is a good father to him. We don't quarrel in front of him, and my priorities are simple, though they change and evolve through the years. I stood by my decision to stay and through the following years, I regain my love for him. So yes it's very possible, a heart of stone can be softened. The impossible becomes the possible. Now this may not be a good thing, for as it happened, I came to need him more than he needed me. Yes, our relationship can be likened to a power struggle. By then I wanted very much for things to be set right between us. But there was no way in hell he would go for marital counselling; It was purely a matter of ego for him.

Anyway, things came to a head last year when he said that he felt no spousal love for me, but rather views me as his best friend. WTH. He says that he's been systematically eliminating any feelings for me - no feelings, no hurt. So whilst my feelings build up for him, his has still been on the downward spiral.

I was crushed. Now the tables are turned. We discussed separation, and one day, he again accused me of infidelity, with a friend of his. He wanted a divorce. What do I do? I was almost going mad. Previously I would have wanted reasons, I would have been needy and clingy.

This time, something snapped. My heart had walled up as well. Why the hell should I stay with someone who didn't want me.

I found a place to move out to, but he asked me to stay. I did, but I told him I'm not obliged to wifely duties, since he is not treating me as a husband should, but that I'm residing in the same house, for my son's sake. I had set a timeframe for the legal divorce proceedings, as I am certain it will have to come to that.

Some of my friends asked me to fight for the marriage, but it's hard to fight to be with someone who wants you out of his life. I don't want to stand in his way of happiness. But yet, everytime I want to move out, he stops me. I was truly truly mindf!@&*ked. One day, I decided, heck it, the best thing I can do for myself, and that is within my control, is to live well.

I went to the gym as often as I liked went to the spa as much as I wanted, I went back to my interests, I reconnected with my good friends. I was truly happy, after a while,I was practically glowing. Also through this time of hurt, I came to self-realisation of my follies of not doing enough to help my hubby with his insecurity issues.

Then slowly, all the loving and caring came creeping back. Started with the little touches here and there at first - buying my favourite snacks, downloading my favourite movies/music, the little knick-knacks that were symbolic to us, we were almost like blushing young loves, embarassed by our hints of affection. We started talking, and then eventually re-connecting. I never forced the issue of talking, but it happened eventually. Our son would make fun of us. I had by then, achieved balance and self-happiness in my life, it was like I was untouchable emotionally and psychologically, for the first time in a very very long time.

One day, he put his wedding ring back on, first time in years, and that's all he needed to do, no words no letters. We may not have addressed every issue, but hell, it was more than good enough for me.

No marriage is easy, and those who have had it easy, congrats to you, but deal with the rest of us with respect and choose your words carefully.

So you see, nothing is really ever set in stone. Perceptions, gold-standards in relationships, past experiences, a person's character - they can change, and no matter what anyone tells you, if you have decided on the course, set on it, and you never know, you are taking a chance at happiness. Who can stop you at that? What worked for others may not work for you. We don't know you, nor your husband personally, and this is your marriage. I would hesitate to judge you or your actions.

As someone's said, this is a free forum, and so I am airing my views, whether you agree or not. Some views have been put forth by people more eager to prove they are right (though I doubt if they would have experienced your kind of pain, hence I don't understand their impatience) than helping you, seeing it through your eyes.

To be honest, I find some forumers post to justify their opinions and forcing their validity, whilst you are the one living the reality.

Whilst we post, it doesn't mean that Hope's obliged to listen and to react to our every comment.

Freedom didn't ya'll say.
 

miloice

Well-Known Member
Yeelin, thank you for your heart warmth sharing. I wish your family happiness. May your husband finally completely let go of his inner 'demons'. Cheers!

Often, it's indeed true that we need to let go and not cling on so tightly. After all these years of trying, the turning point came after you finally let go and regain yourself.
 

sundownprince

New Member
Yeelin what a touching story. Glad that you have a happy marriage again. And I agree with you. While pple may offer u suggestions at the end of the day it's ur life!
 

yeelin

New Member
thanks Milo & Jo Ou, thanks for the kind words. typing it out was therapy for me too. I hope somehow this can inspire Hope, in some small way. Marriage is hard work, and yes it's very very true that when we regain ourselves, we are duly rewarded.
 

matka

Member
Hi Yeelin

My experience has been somewhat similar to yours, though set in a different situation. I'm glad that everything has worked out for you. Very glad, especially all that you've been through. And I am a believer that things can be worked out, because it has been done before. More importantly, I know it can because it's happened to me too.

Hope owes no one an apology. Everyone here has the free will to discuss, offer their advise and suggestions. Likewise, Hope has the free will to accept or reject them. She is neither obliged to answer to anyone, nor reply everyone. This is afterall, a "forum".
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tomasulu

Member
i vote yeelin's post poty.

surely i can heap praise without pouring scorn but what's the fun in that? may ong, you are an idiot. at least in this thread.
 

small_wish

New Member
yeelin
Thanks for encouraging sharing. Yes, all marriages are different. I am not saying I seek advice for a set of "procedures" on what to do to save my marriage. But rather, since I am in a loss, in a way, seek out to hear others' true life experiences. Some I may be able to apply, which I will try. Of course, I also welcome all other suggestion on what else can I do should my last attempt fails.

MiLo On e RoCks
I got it already, I am not his priority. I have the answer already. Thanks.

Still reading and listening. Enough of my story. I will continue to be a listener and apply those feasible to me. Thanks to all.

Will try to pick up myself for the last straw. Let things take its natural course and I will not force him to love me if this is what he really wants, let time tells me the answer. Will try but not pining too much hope. Will let go when necessary.
 

small_wish

New Member
Who? Me?
Please please, don't quarrel with May Ong or others because of my this thread. I believe all are genuine to offer suggestions and each has freedom for his/her opinion. I just need to open ears to listen more to learn the good things suggested by others. I have been a spoilt brag not willing to listen to others for most of my years as per my HB. So I am learning to listen more.

I really do appreciate everybody's effort in this forum.
 

bellethel

New Member
Hope,
I had been in your situation before. My husband self-employed. In fact a high flyer in which most in his industry knows who he is. So many girls are willing to throw themselves at him. He knows it, I know it. And he broke the vow and had an affair. That was his decision. NO ONE CAN FORCE ANYONE TO CHEAT. That was wat I was told by my psychologist. When He was first found out, He said that same thing, I pushed him to cheat. Everything is ME me me... I wanted to talk about it but he refused. I was told, just forget it and move on. We were referred to marriage counsellor but he refused to go, claiming tt he already broke up and it was me who pushed him to that. I cried, I beg, I fall into depression but I woke up. I realized that a marriage really takes 2 to work together. When I am finally convinced that he wanted to break the family up, I gave him my T&C on what I wanted. He begin to beg me and tell me tt he really wanted the family. And even attempted suicide cos I was persistant in divorce. So I really gave him that 2nd chance. That 1 yr of not allowing to talk about the affair was torturing. I had to act like nothing happened yet feeling bitter at times, getting paranoid when I cannot reach him when he claimed tt he would be in the office. And he would accuse me that I am spot-checking on him. I wasn't happy and like you, I am so fearful of saying the wrong things, doing the wrong things. That was why I suggested if u can convince him to marriage counselling, it would be good. Else, if u think tat u can put up with being paranoid, feeling that u r the giving party for the rest of your life, then just hang in there and try putting the marriage back to pieces with your own pair of hands without his support.

I am speaking this from what I was told by my psychologist. So if u want to be convince that yes, you would like to try salavaging the marriage just on your own, I can only wish u good luck. If not, pls seek help and quit denying to yourself tt things will be back to normal jus becos u are trying hard yourself.

No one is here to teach or expect u to act the way we advise. Everyone is juz giving their point of view hoping to help u see the other side of the picture that u failed to see. U have to understand 1 thing. Happiness is not dependent on whether you stay in this marriage, but it is how you look at your present moment and make the best out of it. If u think only having a complete family can make you happy, then it is your belief that shape your happiness and unhappiness, not your husband. Think about it.

Info retrieved by Happiness during Hard times.
 

yeelin

New Member
I thought someone was calling me potty, til I goggled POTY.

lol

Hope, it's my pleasure to share. Whatever the outcome of your attempts, I know you will emerge stronger. I had languished in misery and feelings of failure;I somehow went past all that, and emerged more emotionally independent , and toughened up - it was almost like 'hey bring it on! It's not like I haven't been through hell already'. It helped with my general attitude of life. I guess resilient is the word.
 

lovingyou

New Member
Yeelin: Wish you a blissful marriage...
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Hope: Noone is upset with you, but from what I feel, everyone is just trying to ask you to face reality. Noone can force a person to talk, communicate if he or she doesn't want to, this applies to noone can stop the person if he or she wants to do certain things. To what I feel, your HB could be realli bz but it is also a fact that he doesn't want to talk to you and busy with work is just a form of excuse. You started this thread by asking us how to salvage marriage, my advices to you will be how to salvage a marriage when one doesn't seem to be willing to do it? You have to differentiate what is busy and what is called making efforts to make the marriage work. Apparently, nothing is shown on his side other than telling you that he wants to stay. U can give him another chance, but there shld be a timeline, and if nothing changes for the better after the time, perhaps you should re-consider what you realli want and need. All the best.
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