A smoke-free Singapore?
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stanzza,
"u dun smoke in front of ur kids. Means u also dunwan ur kids to smoke rgt?"
- Nope, it does not mean that. it's their choice in the future, am sure they will dabble at the start, whether or not it stays is their choice once they've attained their adulthood and maturity.
actually i'm not sure why u're talking abt marketing and etc which is not relevant to spore where the gov strictly prohibits any form of advertising. u notice that even the tobacco company vans can't even put their product on the van, unlike other companies... so i think we should keep within local context.
"u dun smoke in front of ur kids. Means u also dunwan ur kids to smoke rgt?"
- Nope, it does not mean that. it's their choice in the future, am sure they will dabble at the start, whether or not it stays is their choice once they've attained their adulthood and maturity.
actually i'm not sure why u're talking abt marketing and etc which is not relevant to spore where the gov strictly prohibits any form of advertising. u notice that even the tobacco company vans can't even put their product on the van, unlike other companies... so i think we should keep within local context.
Marketing - Still have the internet.
There's also peers. In some country (not sure abt Sg), heard some kids are paid to push free cigarette to other kids.
So yeah, those straight forward type of marketing is banned. Those not so straight forward types, who knows.
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/12587/Secondhand_Smoke_Fears_Overstated_Study_Finds.html
http://www.enotes.com/smoking-article/harmful-effects-smoking-overstated
There's also peers. In some country (not sure abt Sg), heard some kids are paid to push free cigarette to other kids.
So yeah, those straight forward type of marketing is banned. Those not so straight forward types, who knows.
http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/12587/Secondhand_Smoke_Fears_Overstated_Study_Finds.html
http://www.enotes.com/smoking-article/harmful-effects-smoking-overstated
May,
i rem my first question asking u if it was personal... u gave me something abt avatars... prior to that u called me a name and was rather aggressive.
then u ask me a question and insist on ONLY a Yes/No answer, otherwise it would mean i have something to hide. then u insist, demand, insist, demand and think it's becos u cornered me...
for everything u ask me, u have already answered for me... or tell me that if i dun answer u in a certain way, it means this or that... i dun think u want an answer At All. your way of questioning is more like a MIL who is out to create trouble for DIL, and corner the DIL. i chose not to answer u becos u're simply not keen to listen... not becos i have no answer.
u insist on the perimeters for which i can answer in... and u want me to take that instruction from u. this is Not a multiple choice of a) to d). there are many answers in life, some of which we do not have the mental capacity to fathom yet, and the list can end beyond z).
your posts to me are antagonistic, non-discursive, closed-to your view and full of accusations... when u ask me questions, it wasn't even open to disucssions... just look at the last 3 posts.
and i was just telling Clark with u as a perfect example of a person who is not there to listen... and u have further showed why.
do note u have brought up other forummers in your posts too... but i did not fly into a rage like u, and accuse u of being sneaky.
smugness... i pale very much in comparison with u.
appreciate your offer of help, but there's is nothing in u that i have found to be worth learning from...
when all else fails, i hope u do not go into a longwinded talk of how we're all avatars and dun know each other. i have stated that That is lame.
i rem my first question asking u if it was personal... u gave me something abt avatars... prior to that u called me a name and was rather aggressive.
then u ask me a question and insist on ONLY a Yes/No answer, otherwise it would mean i have something to hide. then u insist, demand, insist, demand and think it's becos u cornered me...
for everything u ask me, u have already answered for me... or tell me that if i dun answer u in a certain way, it means this or that... i dun think u want an answer At All. your way of questioning is more like a MIL who is out to create trouble for DIL, and corner the DIL. i chose not to answer u becos u're simply not keen to listen... not becos i have no answer.
u insist on the perimeters for which i can answer in... and u want me to take that instruction from u. this is Not a multiple choice of a) to d). there are many answers in life, some of which we do not have the mental capacity to fathom yet, and the list can end beyond z).
your posts to me are antagonistic, non-discursive, closed-to your view and full of accusations... when u ask me questions, it wasn't even open to disucssions... just look at the last 3 posts.
and i was just telling Clark with u as a perfect example of a person who is not there to listen... and u have further showed why.
do note u have brought up other forummers in your posts too... but i did not fly into a rage like u, and accuse u of being sneaky.
smugness... i pale very much in comparison with u.
appreciate your offer of help, but there's is nothing in u that i have found to be worth learning from...
when all else fails, i hope u do not go into a longwinded talk of how we're all avatars and dun know each other. i have stated that That is lame.
Powder,
you have trouble with your reading. serious reading problems. maybe you are not too good in your english. i don't blame you.
i asked you whether smoking has an impact on your health because you were brandishing all that challenge at me about who will die first.
(do you want to post that question you wrote to a life insurance underwriter? that would be the most neutral and authoritative source of answer, wouldn't it?)
i was actually wondering to myself - you give me the impression that you are so confident and even cocky that you are as fit as a fiddle - is it because smoking REALLY doesnt affect you adversely in any way at all now. perhaps you have some superior genes that help you to stay up so late at night etc ...
and you thought that the question was entrapment!
what a perverse and warped mind you have to distort everything someone asks of you to some twisted idea!
you have trouble with your reading. serious reading problems. maybe you are not too good in your english. i don't blame you.
i asked you whether smoking has an impact on your health because you were brandishing all that challenge at me about who will die first.
(do you want to post that question you wrote to a life insurance underwriter? that would be the most neutral and authoritative source of answer, wouldn't it?)
i was actually wondering to myself - you give me the impression that you are so confident and even cocky that you are as fit as a fiddle - is it because smoking REALLY doesnt affect you adversely in any way at all now. perhaps you have some superior genes that help you to stay up so late at night etc ...
and you thought that the question was entrapment!
what a perverse and warped mind you have to distort everything someone asks of you to some twisted idea!
appreciate your offer of help, but there's is nothing in u that i have found to be worth learning from...
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powder, not everyone is like you that when they say something in this forum, they are operating out of an objective to show their superiority.
when i meant "help", i mean help in clarification of what i said.
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powder, not everyone is like you that when they say something in this forum, they are operating out of an objective to show their superiority.
when i meant "help", i mean help in clarification of what i said.
there u go with the perimeter using an insurance underwriter...
IF u choose to use the underwriter as basis, it should not be abt the underwriting, but whether the underwriter dare to underwrite that i (a smoker) will die before u (a non-smoker).
and i wasn't challenging u at all. u take things very personally... i dun see how the below sentence shows me "brandishing all that challenge" at you.
my sentence is "i am fully aware that many illnesses have found their way to include smoking as a cause, i do not wish to argue this, but i'll put it this way... Can u guarantee 100% that u will not die before me, and perhaps from illnesses whereby smoking is one of the causes - when u have never smoked nor gone near secondhand smoke?"
it was a valid question abt Death.
u have an affinity of throwing negative words to quote me... i'm really not challenging u, u seem to be in a war-mode all the time and just waiting to pick a fight.
ps: your aggressive state of mind has an impact to your health and longevity. i insist u stop being aggressive?
IF u choose to use the underwriter as basis, it should not be abt the underwriting, but whether the underwriter dare to underwrite that i (a smoker) will die before u (a non-smoker).
and i wasn't challenging u at all. u take things very personally... i dun see how the below sentence shows me "brandishing all that challenge" at you.
my sentence is "i am fully aware that many illnesses have found their way to include smoking as a cause, i do not wish to argue this, but i'll put it this way... Can u guarantee 100% that u will not die before me, and perhaps from illnesses whereby smoking is one of the causes - when u have never smoked nor gone near secondhand smoke?"
it was a valid question abt Death.
u have an affinity of throwing negative words to quote me... i'm really not challenging u, u seem to be in a war-mode all the time and just waiting to pick a fight.
ps: your aggressive state of mind has an impact to your health and longevity. i insist u stop being aggressive?
likewise May, not everyone is out to show their superiority when they say something.
u must be very aware of your inferiority to be constantly accusing others of flexing their superiority.
just to add: u're the typical case of a bully at school... and why the bully bullies.
u must be very aware of your inferiority to be constantly accusing others of flexing their superiority.
just to add: u're the typical case of a bully at school... and why the bully bullies.
In local context,
it would be quite inhumane and legally complicated to ban tobacco sales to the existing generation, as until now, effect of tobacco is still challenged strongly.
The long term goal is to achieve smoke free environment.
With all the current measures, we are not stopping new smokers from picking up the habit.
So a ban of cigarette sales to all post 2000 born babies would achieve that without the additional complexity from current generation of smokers.
it would be quite inhumane and legally complicated to ban tobacco sales to the existing generation, as until now, effect of tobacco is still challenged strongly.
The long term goal is to achieve smoke free environment.
With all the current measures, we are not stopping new smokers from picking up the habit.
So a ban of cigarette sales to all post 2000 born babies would achieve that without the additional complexity from current generation of smokers.
Powder, that's what i have been saying all along. Smoking Booths is one solution. Others includes public education or to be local - fines.
But who is going to be accountable for this ? It is definitely the government.
Eventually, the majority has to be considered.
Is superman wrong ? I may have my underwear wore the outer side but i still have my a clear head to be irritating and right.
But who is going to be accountable for this ? It is definitely the government.
Eventually, the majority has to be considered.
Is superman wrong ? I may have my underwear wore the outer side but i still have my a clear head to be irritating and right.
“aggressive� what Powder, you mean to say that all interactions on this forum must be emotionally charged? You think I am like you who eat, shit and breathe this forum for so many years that you start to invest all kinds of vain emotions and ego in it?
Since you think interactions here are so emotionally charged, how about you say that I am gloating at you in this thread?
I operate from self-interest. So what do I get from being here, money? Im poking at you what you say right now because it is fun, and I will continue to do it until it stops being fun for me.
I was saying how some people would defend their vulgar habits to death. So now besides quarreling here, you also want to challenge the life insurance underwriter just because his statistics do not guarantee anything to 100%. So who do you want to challenge next? The doctor? The funeral director? And with what? With your superior genes that you believe that somehow exempts you from statistics?
Powder, you can gesticulate like a monkey gone berserk and put on all this machismo, pounding your chest until I tell you what you want to hear (which is “Powder, you are the supreme king of the jungleâ€). You can say anything you want here but you are the one with the cigarette carcinogen running through you right now, you are the one with higher risk of cancers, so what do I have to lose?
and as I have said repeatedly, I am not interested in your health or longevity so you could stop giving me your hypocritical advice too.
So what are you going to do now? Pull out another cigarette? Ha ha. Let’s put it this way – now you can either (1) admit that you made a mistake to pick up smoking (2) continue to argue with me in your ridiculous manner. In either case, im on for the game as long as it is fun for me. Because you know what? I let you off yesterday for not answering my question because you have been so pathetically exposed. But you chose to engage me today. Seriously, you should have just DIAM DIAM let me slam you when I called you a dumb duck.
Since you think interactions here are so emotionally charged, how about you say that I am gloating at you in this thread?
I operate from self-interest. So what do I get from being here, money? Im poking at you what you say right now because it is fun, and I will continue to do it until it stops being fun for me.
I was saying how some people would defend their vulgar habits to death. So now besides quarreling here, you also want to challenge the life insurance underwriter just because his statistics do not guarantee anything to 100%. So who do you want to challenge next? The doctor? The funeral director? And with what? With your superior genes that you believe that somehow exempts you from statistics?
Powder, you can gesticulate like a monkey gone berserk and put on all this machismo, pounding your chest until I tell you what you want to hear (which is “Powder, you are the supreme king of the jungleâ€). You can say anything you want here but you are the one with the cigarette carcinogen running through you right now, you are the one with higher risk of cancers, so what do I have to lose?
and as I have said repeatedly, I am not interested in your health or longevity so you could stop giving me your hypocritical advice too.
So what are you going to do now? Pull out another cigarette? Ha ha. Let’s put it this way – now you can either (1) admit that you made a mistake to pick up smoking (2) continue to argue with me in your ridiculous manner. In either case, im on for the game as long as it is fun for me. Because you know what? I let you off yesterday for not answering my question because you have been so pathetically exposed. But you chose to engage me today. Seriously, you should have just DIAM DIAM let me slam you when I called you a dumb duck.
Wayang kulit man *chuckles*, was May implying Powder's here for the show ?
In devouring the saga earlier between Powder and May, Powder inserts an emoticon as a reply. That's the height of anti-climax, what a let down. "Fight or flight" would be behavioral repertoire with him. Despite the guise of "choice" ( choice of NOT engaging in the Bang, Bang, Bang-person), he yet engages in Miss Bang-Bang when she emerges. Typical Powder-talk would be a cascade of intimidation tactics, alongside his guru talk. When disagreeable and ready to pounce, he baits the other party to submit more arguments. If they bite, everything they say gets discredited and thrown on the scrap heap. The worst thing you could do to him is to emasculate him. He is ostentatious and flashy, perfectly suited for running a show at the theater of omnipotents. *I am bursting in giggles as I am typing this* His inflated ego is the cause of his malaise when a nemesis comes along. Not keeping one´s ego in check, it´s what holds people back.
ps: I still like reading Powder's guru talk.
In devouring the saga earlier between Powder and May, Powder inserts an emoticon as a reply. That's the height of anti-climax, what a let down. "Fight or flight" would be behavioral repertoire with him. Despite the guise of "choice" ( choice of NOT engaging in the Bang, Bang, Bang-person), he yet engages in Miss Bang-Bang when she emerges. Typical Powder-talk would be a cascade of intimidation tactics, alongside his guru talk. When disagreeable and ready to pounce, he baits the other party to submit more arguments. If they bite, everything they say gets discredited and thrown on the scrap heap. The worst thing you could do to him is to emasculate him. He is ostentatious and flashy, perfectly suited for running a show at the theater of omnipotents. *I am bursting in giggles as I am typing this* His inflated ego is the cause of his malaise when a nemesis comes along. Not keeping one´s ego in check, it´s what holds people back.
ps: I still like reading Powder's guru talk.
May,
it's amazing how u create a battle scene, create an alternative Powder tat isn't what i actually am, make up a whole scenario whereby u think there's actually some trophy at the end of it, and u emerge vicotrious within the rather disillussioned mind of yours.
the whole play is directed by u and the role i play is completely made up by u.
it's actually rather sad becos at the end of it all where conscience are searched, the answers will always be there staring at us...
it is not difficult to read motives, especially one that is so badly masked. your arguments are a cheap attempt after watching too many american courtroom dramas, unfortunate that's where it ends becos movies normally adopt some form of intelligence and research... your points are shallow and lack depth.
tks for letting me off yday... your victory cries are deafening... altho i have no idea what victory there is here... well watching seems to think so, and some new fan seems to think so.
do note i'm not gonna debate u becos u are all over the place and totally not focal to a good debate... u just think u're good, constantly reiterate how u've won, how u're giving me chances... other than that... i guess the only sign or affirmation of 'victory' comes from yourself. really...
i do hope your real life corresponds with who u are here... seems rather sad actually... what defines us is the life we wake up to every morning, and sleep with every nite..
okie, headed for a smoke break.
it's amazing how u create a battle scene, create an alternative Powder tat isn't what i actually am, make up a whole scenario whereby u think there's actually some trophy at the end of it, and u emerge vicotrious within the rather disillussioned mind of yours.
the whole play is directed by u and the role i play is completely made up by u.
it's actually rather sad becos at the end of it all where conscience are searched, the answers will always be there staring at us...
it is not difficult to read motives, especially one that is so badly masked. your arguments are a cheap attempt after watching too many american courtroom dramas, unfortunate that's where it ends becos movies normally adopt some form of intelligence and research... your points are shallow and lack depth.
tks for letting me off yday... your victory cries are deafening... altho i have no idea what victory there is here... well watching seems to think so, and some new fan seems to think so.
do note i'm not gonna debate u becos u are all over the place and totally not focal to a good debate... u just think u're good, constantly reiterate how u've won, how u're giving me chances... other than that... i guess the only sign or affirmation of 'victory' comes from yourself. really...
i do hope your real life corresponds with who u are here... seems rather sad actually... what defines us is the life we wake up to every morning, and sleep with every nite..
okie, headed for a smoke break.
ahhh... before i have my puff...
my dear watching,
u're obsessed with me aren't u? in another time and place perhaps we could be frens... but i guess after having your ego deflated, u're so in need of a saviour tat u're ready to cling onto any 3rd-Rate debater and give them your full blind support as long as it avenges u in some way...
whatever makes u happy my lady... since itisn't an emotion that has been plentiful with u...
but rejoice! at least u get an acknowledgement from me, whilst the person after u only gets to hold a scoreboard and look like an absolute dumb prick being a self-appointed umpire which May serving balls into my court, jumping up and down and declaring her Aces when i'm not even holding a racket.
anyway it's good to see at least the few of u forming cute little cliques... even u pple deserve frens... so cuuuute.
my dear watching,
u're obsessed with me aren't u? in another time and place perhaps we could be frens... but i guess after having your ego deflated, u're so in need of a saviour tat u're ready to cling onto any 3rd-Rate debater and give them your full blind support as long as it avenges u in some way...
whatever makes u happy my lady... since itisn't an emotion that has been plentiful with u...
but rejoice! at least u get an acknowledgement from me, whilst the person after u only gets to hold a scoreboard and look like an absolute dumb prick being a self-appointed umpire which May serving balls into my court, jumping up and down and declaring her Aces when i'm not even holding a racket.
anyway it's good to see at least the few of u forming cute little cliques... even u pple deserve frens... so cuuuute.
stanzza, u're walking in full circle and finally back to relevance. duh, of course this proposal is specifically beneficial to one obvious aspect - Health. but like many has been saying, it may be too simplistic (or idealistic) solely based on that - as a nation.
anyway, i do recall that u mentioned u Hate smokers. so perhaps u would want to conisder if your one-sided thoughts are based on your negative emotions, not objectiveness.
anyway, i do recall that u mentioned u Hate smokers. so perhaps u would want to conisder if your one-sided thoughts are based on your negative emotions, not objectiveness.
miloice
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Stanzza, on health, the number killer in sgp is clearly heart diseases. I hate the very hypocrite that is totally irresponsible with their own health in so many other manners but crying foul loudly against smokers over 'the right over the air'. The stats and figures don't lie about the truth. We bring relevance of the references back to the local context. Current policies are giving the much protection. Advertisements and endorsements on tobacco products are not allowed which limits the marketing boundaries that the firms can use. Its always a balance. You have brought up several valid points that no one is disputing. But, it doesn't back your stand to hate smokers in general.
miloice
Well-Known Member
For those sneaky individuals... why 2-0 or 3-0. Make it 10-0 and 100-0. That's really the only agenda you have in here. Its painfully obvious to see you creeping in every now and then to live your dramatic sarcasm and cheap vengeance. You cannot wait for the next opportunity. There is no creditability to speak of with such behaviors. Go on.... clock up more score boards and clap yourself on with your silliness. Your eagerness betrays you.
What I posted was local related as well. Just that Sg lacks ppl whom are bothered, thus most of these news/information are report in other countries. Doesn't mean it's not occuring here.
You would have been able to see, with all those post:
1: Marketing and Influence from tobacco coy is still there through:
i) platform such as internet.
ii) indirect marketing effect.
2: Smoking is much more harmful than people's impression of it.
3. Govt as a whole, is not interested in using it as a revenue source, but rather, control and ban it. Some individual politician and professionals are though.
4. It is political, social and legal complication reasons that is stopping govt from doing more.
5. It's not economically beneficial nor viable to allow smoking.
Is very local relevant.
Those are very objective. And hey, I'm a human. I hate smokers =p. That's the impression and generalization I still make. I see a group of smokers and I frown.
Every human being have personal bias. Nothing wrong with that. Is just about being aware of it and separating it while analyzing issues and making decision. That's just simple discipline thinking. SOP already.
You would have been able to see, with all those post:
1: Marketing and Influence from tobacco coy is still there through:
i) platform such as internet.
ii) indirect marketing effect.
2: Smoking is much more harmful than people's impression of it.
3. Govt as a whole, is not interested in using it as a revenue source, but rather, control and ban it. Some individual politician and professionals are though.
4. It is political, social and legal complication reasons that is stopping govt from doing more.
5. It's not economically beneficial nor viable to allow smoking.
Is very local relevant.
Those are very objective. And hey, I'm a human. I hate smokers =p. That's the impression and generalization I still make. I see a group of smokers and I frown.
Every human being have personal bias. Nothing wrong with that. Is just about being aware of it and separating it while analyzing issues and making decision. That's just simple discipline thinking. SOP already.
Btw,
economics is not really about money. It is about production, distribution and consumption of goods and services.
Money is just an object that facilitates the exchange. It is not the economic itself.
If you see it from this angle, then you can see how a loss in productivity due to health related issues is not economically viable... Pointless if u have lots of money and no production.
economics is not really about money. It is about production, distribution and consumption of goods and services.
Money is just an object that facilitates the exchange. It is not the economic itself.
If you see it from this angle, then you can see how a loss in productivity due to health related issues is not economically viable... Pointless if u have lots of money and no production.
miloice
Well-Known Member
hi stanzza, no issue with your personal impression.
But, again, the main health hazard in today's context is clearly NOT smoking. Yes, people are dying from it, but much more with people suffering from heart diseases and while smoking is one contributing factor, its hardly the key factor for it.
So, why pick on smoking like its the unforgivable habit and sin when the key loss in productivity from health issues are clearly elsewhere.
But, again, the main health hazard in today's context is clearly NOT smoking. Yes, people are dying from it, but much more with people suffering from heart diseases and while smoking is one contributing factor, its hardly the key factor for it.
So, why pick on smoking like its the unforgivable habit and sin when the key loss in productivity from health issues are clearly elsewhere.
Milo,
would have the problem of how to distribute the wealth from govt pocket to the ppl w/o production also.
Every country have production and services. Cafe, Casino, factory plant (whether only do value add process or complete manufacturing), IT, finance.
Even if the coy only do one small part, that is also production and service.
I'm biased, yes, as generally speaking, smokers in sg are not considerate based on my personal experience so far. I do acknowledge there are exceptions though.
would have the problem of how to distribute the wealth from govt pocket to the ppl w/o production also.
Every country have production and services. Cafe, Casino, factory plant (whether only do value add process or complete manufacturing), IT, finance.
Even if the coy only do one small part, that is also production and service.
I'm biased, yes, as generally speaking, smokers in sg are not considerate based on my personal experience so far. I do acknowledge there are exceptions though.
But, again, the main health hazard in today's context is clearly NOT smoking. Yes, people are dying from it, but much more with people suffering from heart diseases and while smoking is one contributing factor, its hardly the key factor for it.
Personally, I am not AGAINST a total ban on smoking but I don't think it is an easy way out to solve the problem of smoking and health-related issues.
So I take the balanced view that it is an evil albeit an evil we can't get rid off easily - too presumptuous to think a "ban" would solve the problem.
And I must say smoking is a health hazard. If I am not wrong, CANCER is the No1 followed by heart disease closely or they could be neck in neck. Together they would account for > 60% of all deaths due to illness.
Lung cancer - the major cause of it is smoking is a big percentage of the cancer cases in SG. And smoking being a contributing factor to heart disease and major illness like stroke - would again add up the numbers. By my own estimation, smoking-related disease would be at least No 4 or No 3 in Singapore.
Of course if we all could improve our lifestyle - more exercise, balanced diet etc etc, we could also reduce CANCER, heart related disease more than banning smoking can do. But smoking is still a significant contribution factor to our health and it cannot be ignored totally.
By 2020, smoking would be made very expensive and probably more restriction to be placed on where we can smoke. A total ban is unlikely unless someone has a very good alternative. By then we could have other much more pressing issues.
Smoking is a personal choice for the individual and as long as that individual is considerate, and obey the rules regarding smoking, we should give them a little leeway.
I don't think they are "totally preventable". At the most, we can reduce the numbers.
Cancer for eg, will strike in weird ways - except for those directly attributable - say lung cancer for smoking, colon cancer for our diet.. etc etc..
Even for disease like lung cancer - early detection will probably save your life more than stop smoking at a late stage.
The diseases we are having reflect our general lifestyle - diets, habits (like smoking), lack of exercise, etc etc.
Even heart disease - it can strikes in weird ways too. I have a friend we passed away few years ago - heart attack - totally out of the blue because he was so fit - exercise regularly - running & gym, non-smoking, eat balanced diet, no history of family having heart disease ..
So in a nutshell, we just have to do our best to have a balanced, healthy lifestyle - just to improve our chance of having a healthier life.
Cancer for eg, will strike in weird ways - except for those directly attributable - say lung cancer for smoking, colon cancer for our diet.. etc etc..
Even for disease like lung cancer - early detection will probably save your life more than stop smoking at a late stage.
The diseases we are having reflect our general lifestyle - diets, habits (like smoking), lack of exercise, etc etc.
Even heart disease - it can strikes in weird ways too. I have a friend we passed away few years ago - heart attack - totally out of the blue because he was so fit - exercise regularly - running & gym, non-smoking, eat balanced diet, no history of family having heart disease ..
So in a nutshell, we just have to do our best to have a balanced, healthy lifestyle - just to improve our chance of having a healthier life.
my father's best friend lives in the same neighbourhood as we do.
throughout my childhood, he would sit at the foot of his ground floor flat smoking.
whenever we saw him, he would without fail be smoking. that is the way i remember him forever.
one day, we heard that he had suddenly taken extremely ill. he was sent to the hospital where he slipped into a coma.
my dad visited him.
his wife proceeded to divorce him. the one and only reason - she did NOT want to be with a sick man. she wanted nothing to do with his medical bills. she was so scared to be implicated.
then one day, as suddenly as he fell into coma, he woke up.
he was as good as new, no worse for the wear.
when he woke up, his wife and daughter are gone.
pls do not come at me telling me that there was no love between his wife and him to start with blah blah blah. i know that.
but this is the story. if you want to know why i detest smoking so much, maybe this story will tell you something about it.
throughout my childhood, he would sit at the foot of his ground floor flat smoking.
whenever we saw him, he would without fail be smoking. that is the way i remember him forever.
one day, we heard that he had suddenly taken extremely ill. he was sent to the hospital where he slipped into a coma.
my dad visited him.
his wife proceeded to divorce him. the one and only reason - she did NOT want to be with a sick man. she wanted nothing to do with his medical bills. she was so scared to be implicated.
then one day, as suddenly as he fell into coma, he woke up.
he was as good as new, no worse for the wear.
when he woke up, his wife and daughter are gone.
pls do not come at me telling me that there was no love between his wife and him to start with blah blah blah. i know that.
but this is the story. if you want to know why i detest smoking so much, maybe this story will tell you something about it.
My dear Powder,
It's your prerogative to think of me whatever it is you want to think but I shan't refrain from doing more reviews (good, bad, in-between) with whatever input you provide. I shall be churning out more output. (pun intended !)
ps: I do expect rebuttals.
Yours cordially, *wink*
Watching
It's your prerogative to think of me whatever it is you want to think but I shan't refrain from doing more reviews (good, bad, in-between) with whatever input you provide. I shall be churning out more output. (pun intended !)
ps: I do expect rebuttals.
Yours cordially, *wink*
Watching
watching,
dun really have anything to rebutt actually, just pretty surprised that u gave the thumbs up to some pretty shabby arguments. even if u felt that May's arguments are good, u would not be blind to her putting up her hands in victory and proclaiming the victoy after each post.
do note i'm discussing her now Not in a sneaky way, but it's a rather good example of credibility versus biase. surely that last story she gave of how she came to detest smoking, is a dead giveaway of the mechanisms that influence her... there's actually contradictions, but seeing how u look up to her, and how some pple actually put her arguments to me as a victory complete with scoreboard, it does reflect the ability to decipher things.
being a smoker does not make me a bad person, nor does it make me that neighbour who puffs away everyday... much as pple wanna put me in a certain mould, associate me with inconsiderate behaviour, there's more to me as a person than the picture that anti-smoking pple paint. the few times few years ago that i meet with forummers, i excused myself to tucked-away corners to smoke, and i accepted places that disallowed smoking... or i. simply didn't smoke for that period.
if u had run-ins with me, do not chide me in other threads to continue... end of the day the credibility n objectivity as a person is lost.
need to put my kids to sleep, will continue later.
dun really have anything to rebutt actually, just pretty surprised that u gave the thumbs up to some pretty shabby arguments. even if u felt that May's arguments are good, u would not be blind to her putting up her hands in victory and proclaiming the victoy after each post.
do note i'm discussing her now Not in a sneaky way, but it's a rather good example of credibility versus biase. surely that last story she gave of how she came to detest smoking, is a dead giveaway of the mechanisms that influence her... there's actually contradictions, but seeing how u look up to her, and how some pple actually put her arguments to me as a victory complete with scoreboard, it does reflect the ability to decipher things.
being a smoker does not make me a bad person, nor does it make me that neighbour who puffs away everyday... much as pple wanna put me in a certain mould, associate me with inconsiderate behaviour, there's more to me as a person than the picture that anti-smoking pple paint. the few times few years ago that i meet with forummers, i excused myself to tucked-away corners to smoke, and i accepted places that disallowed smoking... or i. simply didn't smoke for that period.
if u had run-ins with me, do not chide me in other threads to continue... end of the day the credibility n objectivity as a person is lost.
need to put my kids to sleep, will continue later.
ok done...
thing is, when u guys cheer May's post at 11pm yday, giving your stamp of approval... where does that actually put u? there are so many made-up lies within what she wrote, so much flexing of muslce, creating a character that i do not possess, and concurrently admitting she's out to poke, gloat at me becos it's fun...
what is there to gloat at me abt? becos i smoke and i'm guaranteed to be dying earlier than the non-smokers? do we even gloat at pple when we're so convinced that they will die earlier than us? what does that tell u abt Character?
if poking at me becos is fun... n brings laughter to pple, i dun mind being the clown... just tat it's rather obvious the laughters won't last and whatever joke being cracked is neither witty, intelligent nor anything to be in awe of...
the intentions are obvious, biased, and highly antagonistic... there's so much wrongs, yet pple are willing to betray their conscience to put a stamp on something. Why?
the laughter drowns when we're back to reality, away from the computer and forum... becos who we are doesn't escape... it stares at us everyday as we go thru life... so benethe it all, are u truly capable of being happy.. or can u only derive short term happiness and amusement by being a bully.
i am harsh sometimes, perhaps most times... but i am Always backed with Reason... and i can account for myself.
just becos a dog can bark loudly does not make the dog fierce... when situation calls, u will be able to see which dog is truly loyal, and has courage. which is just a paper tiger... your real life should reflect how successful u are as a person.
have fun cheering for the dog with the loudest bark to hide its toothless bite. credibility is lost
thing is, when u guys cheer May's post at 11pm yday, giving your stamp of approval... where does that actually put u? there are so many made-up lies within what she wrote, so much flexing of muslce, creating a character that i do not possess, and concurrently admitting she's out to poke, gloat at me becos it's fun...
what is there to gloat at me abt? becos i smoke and i'm guaranteed to be dying earlier than the non-smokers? do we even gloat at pple when we're so convinced that they will die earlier than us? what does that tell u abt Character?
if poking at me becos is fun... n brings laughter to pple, i dun mind being the clown... just tat it's rather obvious the laughters won't last and whatever joke being cracked is neither witty, intelligent nor anything to be in awe of...
the intentions are obvious, biased, and highly antagonistic... there's so much wrongs, yet pple are willing to betray their conscience to put a stamp on something. Why?
the laughter drowns when we're back to reality, away from the computer and forum... becos who we are doesn't escape... it stares at us everyday as we go thru life... so benethe it all, are u truly capable of being happy.. or can u only derive short term happiness and amusement by being a bully.
i am harsh sometimes, perhaps most times... but i am Always backed with Reason... and i can account for myself.
just becos a dog can bark loudly does not make the dog fierce... when situation calls, u will be able to see which dog is truly loyal, and has courage. which is just a paper tiger... your real life should reflect how successful u are as a person.
have fun cheering for the dog with the loudest bark to hide its toothless bite. credibility is lost
May,
“what Powder, you mean to say that all interactions on this forum must be emotionally charged?"
- poor interpretation, wrong accusation.
"You think I am like you who eat, shit and breathe this forum for so many years that you start to invest all kinds of vain emotions and ego in it?"
- not true, i'm not the one showing the emotional imbalance... if anyone, u're actually the one. And on the contrary, i have a bigger n more flamboyant personality in real life, outside the forum.
"Since you think interactions here are so emotionally charged, how about you say that I am gloating at you in this thread?"
- i didn't say that, nor think that. neither have u ever been in a position where u can gloat, unless u're self-indulged in the thought tat u're in the driving seat.
"I operate from self-interest." - i know, it's obvious
"So what do I get from being here, money?"
- u need this to feel good abt yourself.
"Im poking at you what you say right now because it is fun, and I will continue to do it until it stops being fun for me."
- ok, enjoy.
"I was saying how some people would defend their vulgar habits to death."
- did u?
"So now besides quarreling here, you also want to challenge the life insurance underwriter just because his statistics do not guarantee anything to 100%. So who do you want to challenge next? The doctor? The funeral director? And with what? With your superior genes that you believe that somehow exempts you from statistics?"
- made up entirely by u, your version, complete with rhetorics. none of these individuals, if i do meet in life, would guarantee the way u do, of me dying before them. none of these professionals would think they'd live longer than me by virtue of me being a smoker and them being a non-smoker.
statistics show that 100% of pple die, i always knew i will die, so i have no idea how u think i feel exempted. this is entirely madeup by u.
"Powder, you can gesticulate like a monkey gone berserk and put on all this machismo, pounding your chest until I tell you what you want to hear (which is “Powder, you are the supreme king of the jungleâ€)."
- i have no idea when i showed this physical king kong act, which again- entirely made up by u. the only person doing the king kong here is u.
"You can say anything you want here but you are the one with the cigarette carcinogen running through you right now, you are the one with higher risk of cancers, so what do I have to lose?"
- what does this even mean?
"and as I have said repeatedly, I am not interested in your health or longevity so you could stop giving me your hypocritical advice too."
- i'm beginning to think that u dreamt of me last nite and took the points off that dream. most of what u say, didn't even originate from me.
"So what are you going to do now? Pull out another cigarette? Ha ha. Let’s put it this way – now you can either (1) admit that you made a mistake to pick up smoking (2) continue to argue with me in your ridiculous manner. In either case, im on for the game as long as it is fun for me. Because you know what? I let you off yesterday for not answering my question because you have been so pathetically exposed. But you chose to engage me today. Seriously, you should have just DIAM DIAM let me slam you when I called you a dumb duck."
- this is your self-indulged victory chant. u so cleverly insist on 2 paths for me to take, but it ends with me taking neither... and u looking absolutely dumb for it.
i'm not gonna do this too often, becos it's a waste of time. i may have taken more time off my life replying u, than from having a stick of cigarette.
my reply is not to put u down, but an act of respect despite u being totally undeserving of it. it's not as fun for me as it is for u... your post is just out of emotional fancy... which u happily declare...
“what Powder, you mean to say that all interactions on this forum must be emotionally charged?"
- poor interpretation, wrong accusation.
"You think I am like you who eat, shit and breathe this forum for so many years that you start to invest all kinds of vain emotions and ego in it?"
- not true, i'm not the one showing the emotional imbalance... if anyone, u're actually the one. And on the contrary, i have a bigger n more flamboyant personality in real life, outside the forum.
"Since you think interactions here are so emotionally charged, how about you say that I am gloating at you in this thread?"
- i didn't say that, nor think that. neither have u ever been in a position where u can gloat, unless u're self-indulged in the thought tat u're in the driving seat.
"I operate from self-interest." - i know, it's obvious
"So what do I get from being here, money?"
- u need this to feel good abt yourself.
"Im poking at you what you say right now because it is fun, and I will continue to do it until it stops being fun for me."
- ok, enjoy.
"I was saying how some people would defend their vulgar habits to death."
- did u?
"So now besides quarreling here, you also want to challenge the life insurance underwriter just because his statistics do not guarantee anything to 100%. So who do you want to challenge next? The doctor? The funeral director? And with what? With your superior genes that you believe that somehow exempts you from statistics?"
- made up entirely by u, your version, complete with rhetorics. none of these individuals, if i do meet in life, would guarantee the way u do, of me dying before them. none of these professionals would think they'd live longer than me by virtue of me being a smoker and them being a non-smoker.
statistics show that 100% of pple die, i always knew i will die, so i have no idea how u think i feel exempted. this is entirely madeup by u.
"Powder, you can gesticulate like a monkey gone berserk and put on all this machismo, pounding your chest until I tell you what you want to hear (which is “Powder, you are the supreme king of the jungleâ€)."
- i have no idea when i showed this physical king kong act, which again- entirely made up by u. the only person doing the king kong here is u.
"You can say anything you want here but you are the one with the cigarette carcinogen running through you right now, you are the one with higher risk of cancers, so what do I have to lose?"
- what does this even mean?
"and as I have said repeatedly, I am not interested in your health or longevity so you could stop giving me your hypocritical advice too."
- i'm beginning to think that u dreamt of me last nite and took the points off that dream. most of what u say, didn't even originate from me.
"So what are you going to do now? Pull out another cigarette? Ha ha. Let’s put it this way – now you can either (1) admit that you made a mistake to pick up smoking (2) continue to argue with me in your ridiculous manner. In either case, im on for the game as long as it is fun for me. Because you know what? I let you off yesterday for not answering my question because you have been so pathetically exposed. But you chose to engage me today. Seriously, you should have just DIAM DIAM let me slam you when I called you a dumb duck."
- this is your self-indulged victory chant. u so cleverly insist on 2 paths for me to take, but it ends with me taking neither... and u looking absolutely dumb for it.
i'm not gonna do this too often, becos it's a waste of time. i may have taken more time off my life replying u, than from having a stick of cigarette.
my reply is not to put u down, but an act of respect despite u being totally undeserving of it. it's not as fun for me as it is for u... your post is just out of emotional fancy... which u happily declare...
miloice
Well-Known Member
for every story about a smoker losing their family or live, don't we have stories of those having their limbs amputated because of diabetes and those dying suddenly from cardiac arrest?
Does it justify a total biased view? If you are drawing such lessons in life... is life cruel or is there a reason why there isn't much success in your relationships and marriage? Are you a victim or contributing cause to its breakdown. The viper tongue lashing out and jumping to self-righteous need to bash and condemn.
At the end of the day.... it doesn't matter what anyone says or think. You can care all you want about what you think only. Reality DOESN'T change. Its your life. Be happy play acting your drama.
Does it justify a total biased view? If you are drawing such lessons in life... is life cruel or is there a reason why there isn't much success in your relationships and marriage? Are you a victim or contributing cause to its breakdown. The viper tongue lashing out and jumping to self-righteous need to bash and condemn.
At the end of the day.... it doesn't matter what anyone says or think. You can care all you want about what you think only. Reality DOESN'T change. Its your life. Be happy play acting your drama.
Powder,
you say you dont care, you say i do not deserve respect, you say that what i say is not factual, etc.
but the very fact that you bothered to dissect my posting shows the very opposite of the above, right?
truth is self-evincing. why defend yourself so much? Are you underestimating the intelligence of your readers again, Powder? i won't even bother to address your above post point by point. why dignify nonsense?
Readers will believe what they want to believe. Some people will believe me, others will believe you, I don’t care cause I believe in what I believe.
but i want to let you know something. it is true that you have reading comprehension problems. you may be a brilliant guy in real life, i agree ("And on the contrary, i have a bigger n more flamboyant personality in real life, outside the forum." ok ok, why you tell me this, i don't want to know!) but i was not mocking you when i told you that you have serious reading problems.
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"I was saying how some people would defend their vulgar habits to death."
- did u?
You want to see my post on Tues, Oct 26 10:21am
some people pick up vulgar habits, and instead of having a paiseh attitude about their weakness, they would rather defend their bad habits to their death(beds).
"and as I have said repeatedly, I am not interested in your health or longevity so you could stop giving me your hypocritical advice too."
- i'm beginning to think that u dreamt of me last nite and took the points off that dream. most of what u say, didn't even originate from me.
You want to see your post to me on Wed, Oct 27 3:35pm?
ps: your aggressive state of mind has an impact to your health and longevity. i insist u stop being aggressive?
You think im trying to kick up some fuss out of nothing when I said I detect smugness in your first post when you say “I am subsidizing you peopleâ€. I was not. I say what I see, and I see it.
You know what you sounded like to me? You are like the old uncle wearing tattered clothes and flip flop who never strikes 4D but keeps buying, then a well-meaning relative goes to him to say, “Maybe you can consider not buying since you never strike anyway and you are spending too much money on this.â€
Then the old uncle replies, “but I am subsidizing you people with my 4D money!â€
Yeah right. in this case, you are just like this old uncle. You sounded self-righteous, pathetically so, and very in denial.
Your language – “I subsidise you people†has undertones and subtext. Your language betrays you.
Engaging you is also starting to grow less fun for me. Because from your post to me, it tells me that you have done no self-reflection at all. you are more interested in drawing up a portrayal of yourself and putting others down. I suggest that you think more before you talk to me again. You are not even sounding half as smart or sane as you normally do.
you say you dont care, you say i do not deserve respect, you say that what i say is not factual, etc.
but the very fact that you bothered to dissect my posting shows the very opposite of the above, right?
truth is self-evincing. why defend yourself so much? Are you underestimating the intelligence of your readers again, Powder? i won't even bother to address your above post point by point. why dignify nonsense?
Readers will believe what they want to believe. Some people will believe me, others will believe you, I don’t care cause I believe in what I believe.
but i want to let you know something. it is true that you have reading comprehension problems. you may be a brilliant guy in real life, i agree ("And on the contrary, i have a bigger n more flamboyant personality in real life, outside the forum." ok ok, why you tell me this, i don't want to know!) but i was not mocking you when i told you that you have serious reading problems.
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"I was saying how some people would defend their vulgar habits to death."
- did u?
You want to see my post on Tues, Oct 26 10:21am
some people pick up vulgar habits, and instead of having a paiseh attitude about their weakness, they would rather defend their bad habits to their death(beds).
"and as I have said repeatedly, I am not interested in your health or longevity so you could stop giving me your hypocritical advice too."
- i'm beginning to think that u dreamt of me last nite and took the points off that dream. most of what u say, didn't even originate from me.
You want to see your post to me on Wed, Oct 27 3:35pm?
ps: your aggressive state of mind has an impact to your health and longevity. i insist u stop being aggressive?
You think im trying to kick up some fuss out of nothing when I said I detect smugness in your first post when you say “I am subsidizing you peopleâ€. I was not. I say what I see, and I see it.
You know what you sounded like to me? You are like the old uncle wearing tattered clothes and flip flop who never strikes 4D but keeps buying, then a well-meaning relative goes to him to say, “Maybe you can consider not buying since you never strike anyway and you are spending too much money on this.â€
Then the old uncle replies, “but I am subsidizing you people with my 4D money!â€
Yeah right. in this case, you are just like this old uncle. You sounded self-righteous, pathetically so, and very in denial.
Your language – “I subsidise you people†has undertones and subtext. Your language betrays you.
Engaging you is also starting to grow less fun for me. Because from your post to me, it tells me that you have done no self-reflection at all. you are more interested in drawing up a portrayal of yourself and putting others down. I suggest that you think more before you talk to me again. You are not even sounding half as smart or sane as you normally do.
May u should just answer without adding flavour like a lawyer... ie telling me becos i did this, means i meant that.
i was polite enough to let u know why i dun bother replying your long posts where u typically raise your hands up in victory. becos u're simply all over the place.
"Readers will believe what they want to believe. Some people will believe me, others will believe you, I don’t care cause I believe in what I believe."
- yes, i know u're putting up a show here to win something which u feel u need to. your motive n objective has been spelt out way before this thread... especially when out of no where, u constantly make reference to me being some king in here... it is precisely Your need to feel important within a forum, that drives u to assume i'd feel the same way.
and when u write, u are writing to an audience. i'm merely writing to the individual i address.
as far as self-reflection goes, u will Never be close... your life will hardly reflect your urgency to live life to the fullest... nor with zest. this would be the ultimate test... but i do not need to challenge u nor put u down... your eventual obituary and memories would not even come close.
i was polite enough to let u know why i dun bother replying your long posts where u typically raise your hands up in victory. becos u're simply all over the place.
"Readers will believe what they want to believe. Some people will believe me, others will believe you, I don’t care cause I believe in what I believe."
- yes, i know u're putting up a show here to win something which u feel u need to. your motive n objective has been spelt out way before this thread... especially when out of no where, u constantly make reference to me being some king in here... it is precisely Your need to feel important within a forum, that drives u to assume i'd feel the same way.
and when u write, u are writing to an audience. i'm merely writing to the individual i address.
as far as self-reflection goes, u will Never be close... your life will hardly reflect your urgency to live life to the fullest... nor with zest. this would be the ultimate test... but i do not need to challenge u nor put u down... your eventual obituary and memories would not even come close.
Powder,
see, you used the word "should" again?
"like a lawyer"? - who are you to make this statement. so, besides being the King of the SGBrides forum, in your mind you are also fit to comment about what is like a lawyer or not like a lawyer?
who are you to make pronouncements on my life, or anyone else's for the matter? based on my poking at you for fun in a thread? just see what you wrote below:
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as far as self-reflection goes, u will Never be close... your life will hardly reflect your urgency to live life to the fullest... nor with zest.
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your eventual obituary and memories would not even come close.
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let me summarise what you are saying.
Powder, the essence of what you are saying "I am God and I am better than you".
you are a walking heresy everyday of your life. you are a walking sacrilege. you are a walking megalomaniac who cannot wait to trample on anyone who crosses your path or even disagrees with you.
but to each his own. like i have said, you can gesticulate like a monkey gone berserk on this forum, but just by saying something here does not make it true. or did you have the audacity to think that whatever you pronounce about other people will come true, Powder? based on what, on your omniscience?
see, you used the word "should" again?
"like a lawyer"? - who are you to make this statement. so, besides being the King of the SGBrides forum, in your mind you are also fit to comment about what is like a lawyer or not like a lawyer?
who are you to make pronouncements on my life, or anyone else's for the matter? based on my poking at you for fun in a thread? just see what you wrote below:
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as far as self-reflection goes, u will Never be close... your life will hardly reflect your urgency to live life to the fullest... nor with zest.
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your eventual obituary and memories would not even come close.
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let me summarise what you are saying.
Powder, the essence of what you are saying "I am God and I am better than you".
you are a walking heresy everyday of your life. you are a walking sacrilege. you are a walking megalomaniac who cannot wait to trample on anyone who crosses your path or even disagrees with you.
but to each his own. like i have said, you can gesticulate like a monkey gone berserk on this forum, but just by saying something here does not make it true. or did you have the audacity to think that whatever you pronounce about other people will come true, Powder? based on what, on your omniscience?